Current Affairs EU In or Out

[The binman chronicles]

Bruce MUST show more RESPECT for shouty NONSENSE.

Yes everyone should read the balanced and intellectual writing of Rod Liddle to get the whole truth of a situation and then likewise if you want a balanced view of the EU you immediately go and check out what a Greek politician thinks.

Of course you wouldn't ask say a Dutch minister or one from countries like Denmark or Sweden, who are probably fiercely independent nations and I doubt will just hand all control over to Brussels anytime soon, but are happy to compromise on what is required for the benefits the EU currently provides.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I just read the articles and found them interesting. If I buy a paper it's not for news but the crossword. Most of the time it's the Telegraph but if I'm feeling particularly masochistic, The Guardian.

They're not great in terms of reputability though mate

Bruce MUST show more RESPECT for shouty NONSENSE.

You won't believe what fancy dress Prince Harry and Megan wore to a climate protest.

 

[orchard]

They're not great in terms of reputability though mate



You won't believe what fancy dress Prince Harry and Megan wore to a climate protest.

Is that the one where his socks had 17 percent synthetic materials to keep them up?

 

[TyphooToffee]

They're not great in terms of reputability though mate

The newspapers or the crosswords?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

You give yourself far too much credit mate, I haven't seen you be right once yet. I mean, essentially you're sniping insults at me for my claim that Nigel Farage, a professional politician who has led two parties and stood for Parliament 7 times in 6 different constituencies (so you know he's not exactly got 'being a good consitituency MP' in mind) wants to be Prime Minister.

By the way, I'm not saying this is a slight against Farage, just in case you're one of good old Nige's biggest fans.

Let's keep it to Farage as I was, rather than confabulate the debate to hide away whoppers.

So let's address a gaping hole in this analytical analysis in Farage becoming PM. (But dare anyone else apart from the centrist of the political spectrum walk such hallowed turf...)

Farage is a political vandal, and it's all he will ever be. And for strategic purposes Farage is leader of the Brexit party in which he is not even a sitting MP, get a grip.

How many MPs do Brexit Party have?

And accusations of sniping is a case of why be a objectionable hypocrite...

 

[Cool_Blue]

The party will involve "sitting in a deck chair with Dutch chips, French wine and German beer, watching Britain as it closes itself off."

lol

Net migration to the UK, the difference between immigration and emigration, was 258,000 in 2018.

Britain closes itself off eh? Bollocks.

 

[Xizor]

Farage is a political vandal, and it's all he will ever be. And for strategic purposes Farage is leader of the Brexit party in which he is not even a sitting MP, get a grip.

How many MPs do Brexit Party have?

And accusations of sniping is a case of why be a objectionable hypocrite...

What I've outlined is a possible way on how they think they address that situation. Jesus dude, you do understand that the future and the past are different to the present? There was a time when there were no Labour MPs, and then the political situation in the country changed and a new party were well placed to take advantage. How many elected Nazis were there in 1927? Good job politics is static in your world, that Hitler could have caused problems.

I can see now why you were just making snide remarks, as your attempt to engage on this is as shambolic as a Chris Grayling infrastructure project.

I'm not 'paranoid', or 'scared' of the outcome, I don't think that it's remotely likely, I was just making an observation about why Farage might be making some of the maneuvers that he is. For some reason you've decided to latch onto it like a dog with a rather rancid bone. If you want to discuss further I suggest you take it to the Brexit Party thread.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

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The was no hard border in 1922 the troubles are over only the EU are stiring the pot plus you ......no border goods can travel as they do now with different taxes and Different rates of VAT .....
If that problem is overcome by HMR so can basic goods....

Meanwhile in the ROI the Guinness will be flowing as businesses hold their closing down sale.....

And that gives you pleasure does it?

Is there some weird streamed news-as-opinion channel from another dimension that only you receive, Pete? Merkel has been saying the same for literally months. The whole, entire, point of the backstop is that it is in place until workable alternative arrangements can be put in place. Everyone wants to find a solution to the border, and the EU and individual leaders have repeatedly said that. But the UK needs to actually demonstrate a workable alternative, and if one doesn't exist then the EU require the guarantee of the backstop to ensure the integrity of the SM and the safety of its citizens (and, in fact, ours, though you've shown no capacity to care about anyone outside your family).

Boris hasn't played some blinder that the EU have caved in to today; in case you missed it he was made today to concede publicly that the ball is in his court for coming up with something acceptable. Fancy that, a UK PM going to Berlin and being made a mockery of after his hardman-at-home leadership style.

In fact I never got round to posting this the other day but reading Johnson's letter to Tusk was painfully humiliating for anyone who likes the idea of a respectable Britain operating around the global table. It amounted to:

"We refuse to make a guarantee over the Irish border. In place, could we interest you in a commitment to one day make a guarantee over the Irish border?"

We're looking like total clowns on the world stage. Luckily, the orange chief clown is outdoing us by trying to make bizarre real estate deals for Greenland, which I assume he thinks is the world's largest pitch & putt.

Great post.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

What I've outlined is a possible way on how they think they address that situation. Jesus dude, you do understand that the future and the past are different to the present? There was a time when there were no Labour MPs, and then the political situation in the country changed and a new party were well placed to take advantage. How many elected Nazis were there in 1927? Good job politics is static in your world, that Hitler could have caused problems.

I can see now why you were just making snide remarks, as your attempt to engage on this is as shambolic as a Chris Grayling infrastructure project.

I'm not 'paranoid', or 'scared' of the outcome, I don't think that it's remotely likely, I was just making an observation about why Farage might be making some of the maneuvers that he is. For some reason you've decided to latch onto it like a dog with a rather rancid bone. If you want to discuss further I suggest you take it to the Brexit Party thread.

Trying to pass off what the Liberal Democrats are doing with Brexit as some sort of coup attempt by Farage, is frankly ridiculous. I'm sure it will play well with partisans here and elsewhere. Silly as silly can be.

And you still have not addressed objectionable hypocrite...

 

[The binman chronicles]

Net migration to the UK, the difference between immigration and emigration, was 258,000 in 2018.

Britain closes itself off eh? Bollocks.

You do realise we haven't left yet right?

Trouble for all brexiteers is I doubt there will be much difference in migration as they need outside workers to fill the roles. Just maybe an increase from eastern European to migrants coming from the subcontinent. But hey, let's take back control.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

You do realise we haven't left yet right?

Trouble for all brexiteers is I doubt there will be much difference in migration as they need outside workers to fill the roles. Just maybe an increase from eastern European to migrants coming from the subcontinent. But hey, let's take back control.

Common wealth countries you mean, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, India Pakistan etc.

 

[Xizor]

Great post.

You know, the more I think about it, the more worried I get. Johnson's premiership is always going to walk a rocky path, and his advisers have rightly identified that the next biggest threat is the looming Vote of No Confidence. The only way this gets over the line is with some Tory support, and it might possibly need a few to counteract abstentions and the vile Hoey who can be relied upon to trot through the government lobbies these days.

So all the Tories that have indicated supporting the vote have done it on the back of bringing down a Tory government actively pursuing 'No Deal'. So for now, Johnson has to play nice and be all "we can do it, 30 days, no problem, bit of oomph needed" etc. He'll be hoping this sways enough Tory waverers to survive the Vote, and then he can just switch back into his hardline "No prospect of a deal" mode to appeal to the ERG/BP voters etc.

 

[Methuselah]

Pete, Joey and the rest of the Brexit Irregulars have got their own party planned at Dover in response:

So you have used a picture of the TV Home Guard to take the piss out of Brexit. Did it ever cross your mind that the 'real' Home Guard, during WW2 did more for this country than you could ever do. No, I don't suppose it ever did.

 

[Xizor]

So you have used a picture of the TV Home Guard to take the piss out of Brexit. Did it ever cross your mind that the 'real' Home Guard, during WW2 did more for this country than you could ever do. No, I don't suppose it ever did.

Sure it did, I'm actually a historical scholar with particular emphasis on Late Republican/Early Imperial Rome, Revolutionary/Napoleonic France and her wars, and both World Wars. I've studied the effect and impact of political upheaval on society for decades. I'm also a fan of classic British TV and like that show (although I prefer 'Allo 'Allo). The real Home Guard were brave men who had often already 'done their time' and yet volunteered to serve their country in its greatest need. I don't know why you're trying to make me feel bad in comparison to them, I'd happily accept they did more than I could ever do.

Of course, I'm not part of the Boomer generation that is now trying to claim some reflected glory off the previous one. Were you in the Home Guard? Did you serve in WW2 at all? Or is your post just the standard Brexiter tactic of taking umbrage and claiming outrage to try to shut people up?

 

[Old Blue 2]

1. I'm actually a historical scholar with particular emphasis on Late Republican/Early Imperial Rome, Revolutionary/Napoleonic France and her wars, and both World Wars.

2. Of course, I'm not part of the Boomer generation that is now trying to claim some reflected glory off the previous one.

1. Impressive.

2. Rubbish.