Current Affairs EU In or Out

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    Votes: 688 67.9%

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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Mark O'Silver said:
So he thinks there's only "a very remote chance" that the EU won't give into his bullying and renegotiate the Withdrawal Agreement.

Either the bloke has completely lost his marbles, or he embarked on a strategy to rack up anti-EU sentiment even further in an attempt to put the blame on them for being intransigent when he tries to take the UK out of the EU with no deal in a few months time. It won't wash.
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100% this. He was awful in the Commons just then. All bluster.
 
allezlesbleus said:
It is certainly not something the majority do but I do think it goes a bit beyond the privileged few and it is certainly not always about privilege. Mate from school works as translator for Bank of Spain, my own third sprog studied and worked in France, my son is currently working in Spain, my neighbour's son is currently working in Amsterdam; all just kids who went to local comps and took advantage to go out and make their mark off our shores. I was chatting yesterday to a couple moving to France for a year or two. There are already large numbers living and working in France and Spain I think.
Admittedly that is anecdotal but I think it is a clear benefit of EU and I would prefer to see efforts made to increase the numbers of people from places such as Liverpool and Sunderland doing this rather than it be just for the minority. The EU would be a great vehicle for young citizen volunteer exchange programmes which would really help social mobility. A more generalised version of the Erasmus programme maybe.
The big wheel comment is because I think Britain, in normal circumstances, can offer a great deal to the rest of the world in terms of academia, industry, commerce, technology and the arts etc. and as a very wealthy and developed economy it should do so. Not being the policeman as such, that era has passed; but playing its part as being a force for good in the world, using its standing in its nearest large organisation as a springboard first.
And because I think economically membership of the EU is beneficial overall that is our best bet for improving the lot of our own citizens and doing well on the wider international stage.
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And that’s fine, and my children and their spouses work in the USA, Saudi Arabia and the Philippines. There is a big world out there beyond the EU.......and strangely enough we do not need a political union with any of them......
 
“PM Johnson has stated that if an agreement is to be reached it goes by way of eliminating the backstop. This is of course unacceptable and not within the mandate of the European council,” - Michel Barnier today.

The European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, has told Boris Johnson that the EU27 will not give in to his demand to renegotiate the Brexit withdrawal agreement. On Thursday in his first telephone call with Johnson as prime minister, Juncker called the existing deal “the best and only agreement possible”.

That's that then. Time already to stop bullshitting and face the music Johnno.
 
dead_soft said:
It's not going to become the United States of Europe, all unions are inherently political, but what is actually your issue with it becoming so? Is it a general dislike of globalised politics? If so, I'd assume you're supportive of devolution, Scottish independence etc?

In terms of history? We're closer in age to many European countries, we have similar colonialist pasts, monarchies have intermarried, we have the same most popular sport...
In terms of social and political outlook we are much closer to European countries, even counting this lurch to the right we've had. We have very little in common with the US style of democratic government. I'm not sure we're as close to the US and as far from Europe as you think.
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Great post.
 
Telegraph.....

“German industry is in the deepest slump since the global financial crisis and threatens to push Europe’s powerhouse economy into full-blown recession. The darkening outlook is forcing the European Central Bank to contemplate ever more perilous measures.
The influential Ifo Institute in Munich said its business climate indicator for manufacturing went into “free fall” in July as the delayed damage from global trade conflict takes its toll and confidence wilts. It goes far beyond the woes of the car industry. More than 80pc of Germany’s factories are in outright contraction.”

No Deal should be right up their street then........
 
peteblue said:
Telegraph.....

“German industry is in the deepest slump since the global financial crisis and threatens to push Europe’s powerhouse economy into full-blown recession. The darkening outlook is forcing the European Central Bank to contemplate ever more perilous measures.
The influential Ifo Institute in Munich said its business climate indicator for manufacturing went into “free fall” in July as the delayed damage from global trade conflict takes its toll and confidence wilts. It goes far beyond the woes of the car industry. More than 80pc of Germany’s factories are in outright contraction.”

No Deal should be right up their street then........
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Can't be! They imported a million scientists and engineers not long ago.
 
peteblue said:
Telegraph.....

“German industry is in the deepest slump since the global financial crisis and threatens to push Europe’s powerhouse economy into full-blown recession. The darkening outlook is forcing the European Central Bank to contemplate ever more perilous measures.
The influential Ifo Institute in Munich said its business climate indicator for manufacturing went into “free fall” in July as the delayed damage from global trade conflict takes its toll and confidence wilts. It goes far beyond the woes of the car industry. More than 80pc of Germany’s factories are in outright contraction.”

No Deal should be right up their street then........
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And Brexit was mentioned where?
 
peteblue said:
And that’s fine, and my children and their spouses work in the USA, Saudi Arabia and the Philippines. There is a big world out there beyond the EU.......and strangely enough we do not need a political union with any of them......
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Does your son live in Florida by any chance? South Florida to be exact.

Does he read the palm beach post and sun sentinel?
 
peteblue said:
On top of it being nothing to do with Brexit, and they are in the crap, they are really going to want a No Deal........
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So what is the relevance of your point? German car industry is in crisis? Nissan is in crisis announcing 12 500 redundancies? Doesn't matter deal or no deal cars are not going to be sold because there's a world over production crisis. Meanwhile in the real world, there may or may not be redundancies at Sunderland Nissan or Wrightbus in Northern Ireland, or some Engineering firm in Glasgow or the UK Steel industry is a lame duck or the rail network is buckling under the strain of the heat. So what has German cars got to do with 'No deal'? It seems we've come full circle back to 'German car producers need the UK more than the UK needs them'.
 
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