Sky changing their tune massively now murdochs man is in power, apparently johnsons performance was superb according to them
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NilSatisOptimum
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Your right more to do with Germany not spending it's massive surplus thus neglecting it's public services and infrastructure projects, sounds familiar, should be it's called Austerity here in the UK...
How far are people willing to compromise their principles on the promise that someone will deliver brexit?
What does someone have to do before you say enough?
Already we have seen, certain posters freely admit voting for a known racist in the euro elections and now they are praising a man with a history of lying, multiple affairs, patronising the city and inhabitants of Liverpool and generally exhibiting behaviour that gives the impression he cares about no one but himself.
As long has he delivers your golden brexit though eh lads.
What does someone have to do before you say enough?
Already we have seen, certain posters freely admit voting for a known racist in the euro elections and now they are praising a man with a history of lying, multiple affairs, patronising the city and inhabitants of Liverpool and generally exhibiting behaviour that gives the impression he cares about no one but himself.
As long has he delivers your golden brexit though eh lads.
Norway don't spend their massive surplus either, and they seem to be doing alright. Either way, it's not really suitable to call it austerity, which is the act of reducing (often huge) budget deficits, and it's perhaps worth reminding people that throughout 'austerity', the government was still spending far more than it received. The economic definition of austerity merely requires spending to be going in a certain direction, so an 11% budget deficit one year, and 9% the next would see that second year classed as austere, despite the government still clearly spending way beyond its means. It's also perhaps worth remembering that the government has still spent more as a % of GDP during the 'austerity' years than they did during much of the Blair years, with the only real difference being that Blair was blessed with a growing economy, whereas Brown/Cameron were cursed with the biggest recession in a century.
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Yep, of course, son has studied and/or worked in three non-EU countries. But it is an advantage and benefit to have that right as part of EU membership which means a lot to those who wish to exercise that right with out impacting negatively on those who do not wish to exercise it.
Did you give any thought to my other point about about third parties giving better deals to big groups rather than small?
Also I wondered if your original point about (and I am paraphrasing) preferring to be a member of a group with USA rather than EU was tongue on cheek? I know your preference is to be independent overall but if you did mean it, what would be the advantages of being aligned economically and/or politically to the US?
NilSatisOptimum
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That's like Brexiteer stating that the Norway deal with the EU is what Britain needs, you really cannot compare Norway to Germany, like you cannot compare Norway's deal with EU to want Britain can achieve...
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To be honest it reminded me of Jim Hacker trying to impersonate Churchill in Yes Minister.
Merely saying that having a budget surplus is not always a bad thing. Heaven knows, the British government are a long way from having one, and indeed have only had a handful in the last 40 years.
NilSatisOptimum
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Germany is another classic example of leaving it to free market to fill in which it has not and thus all its achieved is to energise wonky eyed populism, at home and here in the UK. Another fine mess neo-liberalism agenda has sown and now coming to fruition...
So German spending on infrastructure has risen due to its neo-liberalism, yet France under the socialist governance of Hollande saw infrastructure spending go down. Interesting analysis. Indeed, in the 5 years of the socialist presidency in France, 4 billion euros was stripped from infrastructure spending, whereas supposedly neo-liberal Germany saw there's go up by 1.5 billion euros. Even 'austerity' Britain managed to do better on infrastructure spending than socialist France.
Source: https://data.oecd.org/transport/infrastructure-investment.htm
Well the socialist party of France is about as socialist as the Fabians and Progress in Labour tbh, about as centre as you can get. Hence all the big splits in 2008 and Mélenchon leading the Left Front
Ah, not the right kind of socialist. Gotcha. The French state has always been among the largest in Europe though, which is perhaps uncomfortable for those pushing government here to do more, as their big state doesn't appear to produce any different outcomes to the smaller state in the UK. Hence why advocates of that kind of thing tend to trot out the Nordics as exemplars rather than the French, despite the French economy being a far more relevant comparison. Their government consistently spend 10% more of GDP than the British government does, and it doesn't seem to make a blind bit of difference.
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That's very true. The PS wasn't really socialist, hence the formation of the coalition of the "Front de Gauche" and later "Insoumise".
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Well that's great then. They will have great experience of right wing,caring and 'democratic' regimes. They are sure to feel at home in a post Brexit England.
NilSatisOptimum
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Your being utterly churilsh with the truth similar to Swinson is a yellow Tory with voting record that would Esther Mcvey consider compassion...
Picking countries that are very different from another both in size economically politically and historically, and then trying to view these countries through the narrow lense of typical Anglo definitions to rough shot a tired mantra, plays perfectly into Brexiteer attacks.
Nothing more dangerous than educated fools, as my father used to say..
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