Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Joey66 said:
Really rather watch snooker now instead..........
Boring googling taking the proverbial yet again.......
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I'm not sure how else I can link it.

Also it was headline news
Daily_Mail_-_Enemies_of_the_People.webp

Amazing what you can do with a law degree and the ability to follow current events.

You stick to watched coloured balls move around your screen at let the adults talk...
 
ScoobyBlue said:
You offered your opinion on how things should proceed in your view. A "pragmatic or preferred" option.

Where does it state that a GE is binding but a Referendum is not. Where does it state that a Referendum or THE Referendum regarding Brexit, is opinion and only advisory.

I didn't see any notification, documentation, campaign paraphernalia, tv footage or newsreel stating that the Referendum vote would be an assessment of eligible voters opinion and would only be advisory information on how we feel as a nation and if we should have another vote to leave the EU.

DO YOU JUST MAKE THIS CRAP UP AS YOU GO ALONG TO FIT IN WITH YOUR PERSONAL OPINION!

I shared the definition of Referendum with you in my previous reply. Nowhere in the definition does it say that a Referendum is a tool only to be used to gauge public opinion and as an advisory tool on peoples feelings. It is a tool to VOTE on a single political question, put to the people for a direct DECISION!

To address your last point, how was the referendum electoral fraud? If you mean the campaign prior to the vote then you have to look at both sides. Both sides made claims that couldn't stand up. The electorate have a brain, have eyes and can do their own research. If they chose to believe claims made by either side that is their decision and theirs alone. If they choose to take information on face value rather than conduct research, again that is their decision.

In a GE when a party wins but doesn't follow through with items in their manifesto that got them elected in the first place, is that electoral fraud? No, its not because they cite other issues to offset their failure to deliver. They make spending claims then after they are elected claim they don't have the money, or will have to raise taxes to get the money. If they said that during a GE campaign and put it in their manifesto, they wouldn't get elected. They tell lies, it gets them elected, they then make excuses.
If that's electoral fraud then every general election going back hundreds of years is fraudulent and we could go back to a Monarchy or go forward with a dictatorship (your pragmatic option) such as in Zimbabwe under Mugabe or presently, Venezuela under Maduro. Or possibly a communist ideology (your preferred option) such as North Korea or Cuba.
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Stop shouting you bellend
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
Stop shouting you bellend
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Shouting about something which despite there being a Supreme Court and Court of Appeal case about, famous/infamous headline news, a litany of statute about and huge amounts of press coverage about...is my opinion.

It isn't, it's fact. But 'you googled/used Wikipedia'. Even if I had, it's still correct.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
There you go, happy reading.
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Your full of it mate.
Nowhere in this act does it refer directly to a referendum and how to interpret legality or illegality. If you want to quote the act, quote the passage(s) where this is referred to. I will gladly read and reply.
  • Bill of Rights 1689
Quote: The bill of rights is there to limit the powers of the Monarch and uphold certain constitutional requirements of the crown to seek the consent of the people, as represented in Parliament, unquote. It says so in Wikipedia where you got it from.
MP's now have input to come up with a suitable solution and vote through legislation on exit from the EU. Miller had his day in court and won and its now with MP's to decide.

You remember, the MP's representing the people in Parliament as part of the Bill of Rights. The MP's who will vote on the legislation, not the peoples vote after the MP's vote because that would be wrong as that's not stated in the Bill of Rights, which you are upholding.

You can't have it all ways. If the MP's vote through Brexit legislation and you're not happy with it, although it was done using the acts and rights you quote and support, you want another vote to tell the MP's that they are wrong if you don't like the outcome of the vote and the contents of the Act.

Like I said, you're full of it mate.
 
roydo said:
That quoted badly, happens.

But on the point "sometimes you need to take a leap into the unknown". So gamble with the country based on nothing. Sound.

The EU meddling point. "We always get the bad end of the stick". Well, like I said, tell me what has impacted on you. If its a reason you voted to leave, they must be well known to you. And really bad.

Surely that isnt difficult to do?

@scooby blue
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Still not an answer to this @scooby blue
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
I've been out and about.

https://www.electoralcommission.org...endums/campaign-spending-at-the-eu-referendum think that probably sums it up.

£19m vs £16m
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Actually £19m to £13m.

So Joey was actually right, as I said. I'm sure you'll probably debate whether he knew why he was right though.lol

Thanks for posting it by the way. It's actually got a more detailed breakdown than the article that I'd seen in the Belfast Telegraph.

Interesting the way the Beeb portrayed this in the article that Moomin linked, trying to make out that the Leave campaign had spent more. So easy to see how people's views can be influenced by a bit of deflection,:coffee:
 
ScoobyBlue said:
Your full of it mate.
Nowhere in this act does it refer directly to a referendum and how to interpret legality or illegality. If you want to quote the act, quote the passage(s) where this is referred to. I will gladly read and reply.
  • Bill of Rights 1689
Quote: The bill of rights is there to limit the powers of the Monarch and uphold certain constitutional requirements of the crown to seek the consent of the people, as represented in Parliament, unquote. It says so in Wikipedia where you got it from.
MP's now have input to come up with a suitable solution and vote through legislation on exit from the EU. Miller had his day in court and won and its now with MP's to decide.

You remember, the MP's representing the people in Parliament as part of the Bill of Rights. The MP's who will vote on the legislation, not the peoples vote after the MP's vote because that would be wrong as that's not stated in the Bill of Rights, which you are upholding.

You can't have it all ways. If the MP's vote through Brexit legislation and you're not happy with it, although it was done using the acts and rights you quote and support, you want another vote to tell the MP's that they are wrong if you don't like the outcome of the vote and the contents of the Act.

Like I said, you're full of it mate.
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I've just been to the gym, I'm making tea then watching line of duty. I'll reply back after that.

Try to stay calm.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
Actually £19m to £13m.

So Joey was actually right, as I said. I'm sure you'll probably debate whether he knew why he was right though.lol

Thanks for posting it by the way. It's actually got a more detailed breakdown than the article that I'd seen in the Belfast Telegraph.

Interesting the way the Beeb portrayed this in the article that Moomin linked, trying to make out that the Leave campaign had spent more. So easy to see how people's views can be influenced by a bit of deflection,:coffee:
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I'm not sure whether he knew he was right it not, I didn't know the actual figures, I replied to what I assumed he was talking about which were the official campaigns and government spending. I very much doubt he has ever looked at the electoral commission breakdown as he would have to look fir it on the internet and I know he hates that.
 
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