Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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orchard said:
There are procedures, the government didn't follow them iirc (posted on here at the time).

Symptomatic of the way this government has been using the brexit vote to further it's own party/personal agenda, and a major reason why some of those that voted remain have been aliented from getting behind the result of the vote.
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Leaving politics aside.

It's the complete incompetence of this that angers me. The government, and I include the non political senior civil servants in this, have got themselves into a position that anybody who could seemingly have put a bid in can now threaten to sue us for millions, and expect a nice big out of court settlement for their troubles.

It's scandalous and the people involved in this would lose their jobs in the Private sector.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
Leaving politics aside.

It's the complete incompetence of this that angers me. The government, and I include the non political senior civil servants in this, have got themselves into a position that anybody who could seemingly have put a bid in can now threaten to sue us for millions, and expect a nice big out of court settlement for their troubles.

It's scandalous and the people involved in this would lose their jobs in the Private sector.
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Maybe not just lose their jobs, professional accreditation and liabilities could also come to play.
 
I just want to put something straight as regards some postings I made in this thread recently. I seemed to have left the impression that I believe most leave supporters voted to leave because of their emotions, and most remain supporters voted based on logic. That was not what I intended to say.

Where I was coming from is what drives people to make decisions. A lot of research has been done into this over the years and the general consensus, based on the numerous courses I went on back in the day, is that on average people make decisions 70% based on emotions and 30% based on logic. This will change from individual to individual of course.

So my view is that both remain and leave voters will most likely have emotions at the forefront of their mind when making a decision. So for instance, for a remain supporter, it could be fear of losing their jobs that is driving their decision, more than some Cambridge University professor saying that we could face upto 5 years of recession.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
Leaving politics aside.

It's the complete incompetence of this that angers me. The government, and I include the non political senior civil servants in this, have got themselves into a position that anybody who could seemingly have put a bid in can now threaten to sue us for millions, and expect a nice big out of court settlement for their troubles.

It's scandalous and the people involved in this would lose their jobs in the Private sector.
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It's almost like you're saying prominent Brexiter Chris Grayling doesn't know what he's doing or taking about.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
"all round, Remain spent more than the Leave campaign". Word for word from Joey's post.

No mention there of "official campaigns" whatever they actually are, nor Stronger In or Vote Leave.

Joey was right. You were wrong. Why are you seemingly unable to acknowledge that?
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I've assumed he's talking about remain and Leave official campaining as we were talking about lies told throughout the campaigns and the specific fraudulent activity from Leave campaign. If he's talking about complete spending across all campaigns, then I've no idea what the overall spending was. Perhaps you could link it up.

I know @Joey66 seems to operate in a state of complete confusion, so it's hard to know precisely what he actually means - he doesn't understand the difference between binary and binding - so I'm surprised that you or I can fully understand what he's actually talking about. We use our best guess.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
It's almost like you're saying prominent Brexiter Chris Grayling doesn't know what he's doing or taking about.
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I'm saying he's proven to be totally incompetent as regards this particular matter. If you want me to say what I think about him as a politician generally, I would say he's never covered himself in glory whatever official role he's held, and he doesn't think enough before he opens his mouth. But you can say that about the majority of MPs, whether they are prominent Brexiteers or not.

Interesting that you seem to think I wouldn't be critical of somebody just because they are a prominent Brexiteer.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
I've assumed he's talking about remain and Leave official campaining as we were talking about lies told throughout the campaigns and the specific fraudulent activity from Leave campaign. If he's talking about complete spending across all campaigns, then I've no idea what the overall spending was. Perhaps you could link it up.

I know @Joey66 seems to operate in a state of complete confusion, so it's hard to know precisely what he actually means - he doesn't understand the difference between binary and binding - so I'm surprised that you or I can fully understand what he's actually talking about. We use our best guess.
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This is the limit of my ability when it comes to linking things. Perhaps you would be able to link it for me.
Barnfred 55 said:
It's at moments like this I wish I was a bit more computer savvy mate. Unfortunately, and I happily admit it's down to me being an old computer illiterate dinosaur, I don't know how to link other internet articles.

That BBC news article is just another example of that corporations bias towards staying in the EU. The information contained is actually factual, but very misleading, as you yourself have just found out. The article implies that Leave spent more in the campaign than remain, but in fact it is the other way around. the figures quoted relate to funds raised by both sides from donations, not money spent.

For a far more comprehensive and less biased account of campaign expenditure, there is an article in the Belfast Telegraph dated 24 Feb 2017. If you google it I'm sure you'll find it.

Just for the record, I am not a liar. I am often mistaken and I'm never afraid to hold my hand up when that's the case, but I've never knowingly or purposefully lied in here.
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Barnfred 55 said:
I'm saying he's proven to be totally incompetent as regards this particular matter. If you want me to say what I think about him as a politician generally, I would say he's never covered himself in glory whatever official role he's held, and he doesn't think enough before he opens his mouth. But you can say that about the majority of MPs, whether they are prominent Brexiteers or not.

Interesting that you seem to think I wouldn't be critical of somebody just because they are a prominent Brexiteer.
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Not at all. I'm simply saying that a prominent Brexiter might be completely incompetent and unable to accomplish simple tasks.

I think Chris Grayling is a special case though.
 
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