Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Barnfred 55]

I'm not sure whether he knew he was right it not, I didn't know the actual figures, I replied to what I assumed he was talking about which were the official campaigns and government spending. I very much doubt he has ever looked at the electoral commission breakdown as he would have to look fir it on the internet and I know he hates that.

But there were no official campaigns as such. Each side was to decide on a lead campaign that would be awarded the largest budget of £7m. Remains lead campaign spent barely a third of remains total spend.

What did you think of that BBC article?

 

[Jebus_lives]

But there were no official campaigns as such. Each side was to decide on a lead campaign that would be awarded the largest budget of £7m. Remains lead campaign spent barely a third of remains total spend.

What did you think of that BBC article?

There were official Campaigns. They are officially designated by the electoral commission.

Vote Leave named as official Brexit campaign in EU referendum

Electoral Commission chooses group fronted by Michael Gove and Boris Johnson over Nigel Farage-backed Grassroots Out

www.theguardian.com

I haven't read the BBC article yet.

 

[Groucho]

Stop shouting you bellend

Less of this please.

 

[Joey66]

Actually £19m to £13m.

So Joey was actually right, as I said. I'm sure you'll probably debate whether he knew why he was right though.lol

Thanks for posting it by the way. It's actually got a more detailed breakdown than the article that I'd seen in the Belfast Telegraph.

Interesting the way the Beeb portrayed this in the article that Moomin linked, trying to make out that the Leave campaign had spent more. So easy to see how people's views can be influenced by a bit of deflection,

I am right because I heard a top Remain MP declare that overall with government spending they easily putspent the Leave campaign.......I don't take any notice of what @JEBUS_LIVES post .......on this subject .....

 

[Barnfred 55]

There were official Campaigns. They are officially designated by the electoral commission.

Vote Leave named as official Brexit campaign in EU referendum

Electoral Commission chooses group fronted by Michael Gove and Boris Johnson over Nigel Farage-backed Grassroots Out

www.theguardian.com

I haven't read the BBC article yet.

I dont believe anything I see in the Guardian until it is backed up by another source. They are called lead campaigns everywhere I've seen

The BBC article is very short. You can read it in less than a minute.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I am right because I heard a top Remain MP declare that overall with government spending they easily putspent the Leave campaign.......I don't take any notice of what @JEBUS_LIVES post .......on this subject .....

Joey. Remain outspent the Leave campaign by £5m even without including the Govt spending.

What I find interesting from that spending summary is that the Tories, as a party, never spent a penny.

 

[Joey66]

Joey. Remain outspent the Leave campaign by £5m even without including the Govt spending.

What I find interesting from that spending summary is that the Tories, as a party, never spent a penny.

I believe you, as I stated I heard it from a remain MP on BBC politics live who admitted it , but then whinged about the official budget being overspent, which by the way is not the first time any polictical party has been fined most of them have.......but will @JEBUS_LIVES believe this = answer on a back of a postage stamp -me thinks lol

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I believe you, as I stated I heard it from a remain MP on BBC politics live who admitted it , but then whinged about the official budget being overspent, which by the way is not the first time any polictical party has been fined most of them have.......but will @JEBUS_LIVES believe this = answer on a back of a postage stamp -me thinks lol

Did you read the pamphlet in the end Joe?

 

[Joey66]

Did you read the pamphlet in the end Joe?

Yes I did glad I put it on the fire now too totally justified - reforming the EU the thing is Bruce it was after that lot of Gideon and Davey lost the lies they forecast, and Alistair Darling by daring to vote OUT - emergency budget needed more austerity- House prices to plummet - Unemployment to rise to new depths all wrong......
cant even get a deal out of them - let the EU elections begin roll um on I know who I will be voting for.......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yes I did glad I put it on the fire now too totally justified - reforming the EU the thing is Bruce it was after that lot of Gideon and Davey lost the lies they forecast, and Alistair Darling by daring to vote OUT - emergency budget needed more austerity- House prices to plummet - Unemployment to rise to new depths all wrong......
cant even get a deal out of them - let the EU elections begin roll um on I know who I will be voting for.......

You keep saying these things. You originally said it was all in the leaflet, which it blatantly isn't. Why keep digging the hole?

 

[Joey66]

You keep saying these things. You originally said it was all in the leaflet, which it blatantly isn't. Why keep digging the hole?

I did not say they were all in the leaflet that is your bad interpretation of what I stated I was referring to how they dared if the country voted out - that leaflet was sent out as they were cock sure they were going to win and remain.......
TBF to DC he wanted to remain , but did say that in 5 years our country had the financial clout to do well but not as well as staying in the EU........ in his resignation speech..........
After he had stated he would stay on to see the result through -
I have to remind you he came back waving a piece of paper with no goodies on it from pre talks with the EU trying to get something to make sure the vote would go his way - he failed they gave him nothing.........just like May's deal that can't get through nothing attractive in it......
In fact I would rather remain than accept her deal....... As the EU would have us by the nuts for an age.........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I did not say they were all in the leaflet that is your bad interpretation of what I stated I was referring to how they dared if the country voted out - that leaflet was sent out as they were cock sure they were going to win and remain.......

Read the phamlet that was sent out .......
Oh still waiting for the emergency budget if we dared voting out plus the recession if we dared voting out, also the drop in houses prices if we dared to voting out oh and the massive unemployment if we dared to vote Out -
Still waiting for the plague of locust too.......
oh the blues are playing today if you are interested.........

That is what you said. You typically use ellipses to signify something is missing in a sentence, so you putting it in between your first and second links them up. Therefore, you said that all of the things you mention (the recession, the house prices, the unemployment) were in the leaflet. Again, it's quite possible that you simply don't know how to use ellipses, but we're told that schooling was robust in the 60s so I'm sure your English classes would have included basic grammar and punctuation.

I have to remind you he came back waving a piece of paper with no goodies on it from pre talks with the EU trying to get something to make sure the vote would go his way - he failed they gave him nothing.........just like May's deal that can't get through nothing attractive in it......
In fact I would rather remain than accept her deal....... As the EU would have us by the nuts for an age.........

I don't expect an answer as there has never been one forthcoming, but what did Cameron go there seeking and what did he come back with? You parrot the lines you hear on LBC but I wonder if you know the actual details of what he secured or didn't secure.

 

[Joey66]

That is what you said. You typically use ellipses to signify something is missing in a sentence, so you putting it in between your first and second links them up. Therefore, you said that all of the things you mention (the recession, the house prices, the unemployment) were in the leaflet. Again, it's quite possible that you simply don't know how to use ellipses, but we're told that schooling was robust in the 60s so I'm sure your English classes would have included basic grammar and punctuation.



I don't expect an answer as there has never been one forthcoming, but what did Cameron go there seeking and what did he come back with? You parrot the lines you hear on LBC but I wonder if you know the actual details of what he secured or didn't secure.

Bruce my first post - most of it is obviously to a google expert like yourself who is educated at Oxford, can see most of what I post is after the result.......
My 1960's education did me proud Bruce as I was not afraid to get my hands dirty and have a tradesman's career in Horticulture.... I live quite comfortably off it in retirement......... My daughter has a degree and Masters.......

 

[sbbefc]

Can we not just forget about this now and just crack on with our lives?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Your full of it mate.

• The Representation of People Act http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1983/2

Nowhere in this act does it refer directly to a referendum and how to interpret legality or illegality. If you want to quote the act, quote the passage(s) where this is referred to. I will gladly read and reply.

• Bill of Rights 1689

Quote: The bill of rights is there to limit the powers of the Monarch and uphold certain constitutional requirements of the crown to seek the consent of the people, as represented in Parliament, unquote. It says so in Wikipedia where you got it from.
MP's now have input to come up with a suitable solution and vote through legislation on exit from the EU. Miller had his day in court and won and its now with MP's to decide.

You remember, the MP's representing the people in Parliament as part of the Bill of Rights. The MP's who will vote on the legislation, not the peoples vote after the MP's vote because that would be wrong as that's not stated in the Bill of Rights, which you are upholding.

You can't have it all ways. If the MP's vote through Brexit legislation and you're not happy with it, although it was done using the acts and rights you quote and support, you want another vote to tell the MP's that they are wrong if you don't like the outcome of the vote and the contents of the Act.

Like I said, you're full of it mate.

@Barnfred 55

While Acts my tell you how to interpret elements within them, they normally don't tell you how to interpret their application if it's contested, that sits in the domain of statutory interpretation (literal, golden and mischief rules). So looking specifically for the word 'referendum' in an act doesn't necessarily help you in understanding it's application in the event of one.

The Representation of People Act (s23) talks about areas in which a parliamentary or local ele tion will be void http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1983/2/section/23

The bill of rights was cited in the judgement to the Miller judgement https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2016/2768.html

Section 1 of the Bill of Rights was discussed throughout the case: 'That the pretended power of suspending of laws or the execution of laws by regall authority without consent of Parlyament is illegall.' and the relevant part from that judgement is:
'But even then Parliament remains sovereign and supreme, and has continuing power to remove the authority given to other law by earlier primary legislation. Put shortly, Parliament has power to repeal the ECA 1972 if it wishes.'
and
"a referendum on any topic can only be advisory for the lawmakers in Parliament”

Additionally, the European Union Referendum Act 2015 didn't explicitly say the referendum was binding or give any legal guidance as to how to enact the decision.

Also https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200910/ldselect/ldconst/99/9909.htm

"because of the sovereignty of Parliament, referendums cannot be legally binding in the UK, and are therefore advisory”.

which is why the government introduced the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017

For further evidence here is Sir James Eadie QC stating that the government made a decision to enact A.50 despite the illegality, as because it was a non binding referendum it was simply advisory to the decision and they were duty bound to honour the political decision, but not a legal one.