Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

They didn't have to I agree. But they did. Overwhelmingly. So the fact that the referendum was only advisory became mute. It was now legal. So I don't know what point you are making.

What are you referring to. Exceeding the campaign budget?

What a laugh Remain spent more than leave on the referendum urm £9 million on leaflets to each households in the U.K. Alone was a government push to make sure they won -
They got a ruddy nose, and now ignored the result.......
Democracy will die if no Brexit is delivered........

 

[Barnfred 55]

What a laugh Remain spent more than leave on the referendum urm £9 million on leaflets to each households in the U.K. Alone was a government push to make sure they won -
They got a ruddy nose, and now ignored the result.......
Democracy will die if no Brexit is delivered........

Yes Joey.The govt spent more than £9m of our money being impartiallol. What was the campaign limit again? Something like £7m.

 

[peteblue]

Yes Joey.The govt spent more than £9m of our money being impartiallol. What was the campaign limit again? Something like £7m.

Yeah, but some money doesn’t count.......

 

[Jebus_lives]

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Help me.

My point is quite simple. You all want a referendum where the choice of questions will ignore the wishes of millions of leave voters. I'm saying that is blatantly not democratic.

We have been through this conversation before and I'm not sure how I can make my point any clearer to be perfectly honest. If the referendum question had given government a clearer guide, then there wouldn't be as much debate, but a non binding referendum, albeit one which is now legally considered binding, that gave only 'leave' as the direction to parliament has resulted in the current situation. So go back to the public and ask a better question.

It's worth pointing out that while, as you rightly allude to, the referendum is now binding, but we're it initially run as a binding referendum, it would legally have been voided. So democracy?

 

[vagant59]

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Help me.

My point is quite simple. You all want a referendum where the choice of questions will ignore the wishes of millions of leave voters. I'm saying that is blatantly not democratic.

I was advised by one poster that democracy arrived on our shores in 1066.Obviously this poster is of the opinion that Women should not be a part of any democratic process

 

[Jebus_lives]

Yes Joey.The govt spent more than £9m of our money being impartiallol. What was the campaign limit again? Something like £7m.

We've covered this too

It wasn't on behalf of the Remain Campaign, it was on behalf of the government, so not subject to the £7m allowance on behalf of Campaign spending.

The government also faces restrictions on the type of information it can put out. It just so happens that the government's position (i.e it's not a good idea) had many parallels with the Remain Campaign.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/194635/Public-Bodies-and-EU-Referendum-material.pdf

 

[Jebus_lives]

What a laugh Remain spent more than leave on the referendum urm £9 million on leaflets to each households in the U.K. Alone was a government push to make sure they won -
They got a ruddy nose, and now ignored the result.......
Democracy will die if no Brexit is delivered........

You are mistaken here @Joey66. I think you're conflating the government spending on information, with the Remain Campaign spending, which were two separate things.

 

[Joey66]

You are mistaken here @Joey66. I think you're conflating the government spending on information, with the Remain Campaign spending, which were two separate things.

Really let's say a billionaire MP for the Out campaign had sent those leaflets out slanted on why it was wise to vote Out....
Spending £9 Million boot on other foot - the outcry - now they get fined and still in theory spent less.....
Like the EU kept telling us you can't have your cake and eat it no cherry picking .....
Cameron, and his civil service deviously cocked up democratically- did just that in theory no - in PRACTICE YES ........
No conflating just hard true facts......you wish to blatantly ignore........as per...

 

[Joey66]

I was advised by one poster that democracy arrived on our shores in 1066.Obviously this poster is of the opinion that Women should not be a part of any democratic process

? What the hell are you on about 2016 is the year we are discussing......

 

[Jebus_lives]

Really let's say a billionaire MP for the Out campaign had sent those leaflets out slanted on why it was wise to vote Out....
Spending £9 Million boot on other foot - the outcry - now they get fined and still in theory spent less.....
Like the EU kept telling us you can't have your cake and eat it no cherry picking .....
Cameron, and his civil service deviously cocked up democratically- did just that in theory no - in PRACTICE YES ........

The legal, practical and theoretical position is that the £9m you keep quoting as 'Remain' was government spending and not subject to the same rules of campaigning, as I've already told you. You were wrong then and you're wrong again now. You've just padded out an incorrect statement with waffle.

 

[Jebus_lives]

? What the hell are you on about 2016 is the year we are discussing......

I think he's talking about the invasion by William the Conquerer, in 1066, who introduced a system of consultation prior to making laws. But I'm sure a history scholar such as you is well aware of that.

 

[Frang]

The flag that would be a nuisance if it was the Pride flag, the ISIS flag or any other bloody flag. It's spoiling someone else's view, it's not supposed to be there, based on the covenant he signed when he purchased the house.

The lads a snowflake of the highest order ‘We are becoming weak and spineless. Who are they to tell me not to fly the flag?’ if they were that weak and spineless they would of let a bully boy who thinks because he went on an extended scouts jamboree to Iraq that he somehow deserves to be able to do what he wants. Actually laughable.

what an horrendous post

 

[dead_soft]

its the flag that's causing an offense to someone.

The man says he's patriotic yet doesn't like to stick with the rules governing his neighbourhood or contract law - wonder what he loves about the country.

 

[zzr45]

what an horrendous post

Must have been to take a second stab at being faux outraged at it.

 

[Barnfred 55]

So go back to the public and ask a better question.

So what question would that be?. An open question like you suggested, that probably would have given hundreds of different responses, all written on 2 sides of A4 paper and involving queues around the block at the polling stations. Or maybe a simple closed question that will alienate maybe as much as 90% of the leave vote. I've asked you this question before but you've always sidestepped it, so I'll ask you again.

Do you really believe that a second referendum that disengages millions of leave voters is either democratic or fair?.

It's worth pointing out that while, as you rightly allude to, the referendum is now binding, but we're it initially run as a binding referendum, it would legally have been voided. So democracy?

Ifs and buts. Ifs and buts.

If May had not tried to put Brexit through as a government process, when it was clear to everyone with any sense that it needed a parliamentary law passing, we wouldn't have wasted valuable months fighting lengthy and expensive court cases in which the outcome was inevitable.

If May had formulated a proper cross party plan before invoking article 50.

If May hadn't called the general election which saw her lose her majority, and then exacerbate this by entering into an alliance with the DUP when he knew that the Irish border was always going to be one of the major hurdles to overcome.

If the EU hadn't insisted in the "divorce settlement" being concluded first rather than allow discussions on our future relationship to take place simultaneously.

And if Cameron had not risked dividing the whole country just to stop a migration of a few MPs and Tory voters to UKIP.

Ifs and buts mean nothing mate.