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[Jebus_lives]

EMA lease judgement....

European Medicines Agency loses battle to end UK lease over Brexit

Leaving EU does not ‘frustrate’ contract with landlord Canary Wharf Group, high court rules

www.theguardian.com

Saw that ruling the other day, I expect it will be appealed, but while frustrating for the EMA, it doesn't necessarily 'frustrate' their contract.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I don't post on here anymore after being called a Kopite four times ... reported it = nothing much done ... the way things are going imo Brexit will never happen.....just a haunch ?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Did they mention the £9.5 million used by Cameron on leaflets to every household in the UK on behalf of the Remain campaign that busted in one go the financial maximum re campaigning? And the breach of copyright in that leaflet also? Asking for a friend...

It wasn't on behalf of the Remain Campaign, it was on behalf of the government, so not subject to the £7m allowance on behalf of Campaign spending.

The government also faces restrictions on the type of information it can put out. It just so happens that the government's position (i.e it's not a good idea) had many parallels with the Remain Campaign.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/194635/Public-Bodies-and-EU-Referendum-material.pdf

 

[larrygobfiend]

Yes enjoy the GOT -but this thread is going around in circles - not been that well lately anyway - but if someone calls you an idiot , a Kopite { a bigger insult imo} then its not worth coming on until Brexit is over....
great comeradary on other threads anyway

Sorry you're feeling unwell.

I was annoyed at the way you were dishing out insults and then complaining when you received some back. I didn't directly call you a kopite - I was just pointing out that that's the kind of behaviour we've come to associate with that mob and I was winding you up.

Anyway, some things are bigger than petty squabbles on the t'interweb so I hope you get better.

 

[Ron Swanson]

This.

There's a global downturn in car manufacturing. It's also cheaper to manufacture in China, hence a lot of companies going there.

It really isn't as much to do with Brexit as some make out. I'm sure the uncertainty over Brexit is a factor, but it's not the main factor.

Yes, this is a factor and we've all been saying that. But as I pointed out earlier, the downturn is disproportionately affecting UK factories. Brexit is making the 'which factory should we close?' question a lot easier for all kinds of companies.

 

[Ron Swanson]

I don't post on here anymore after being called a Kopite four times ... reported it = nothing much done ... the way things are going imo Brexit will never happen.....just a haunch ?

Ah c'mon mate. Stop being dramatic.

And on another note, get well soon!

 

[Barnfred 55]

What 'tweaking' did they need that couldn't be done from within the EU? I'd love you to elaborate. Remember the UK chose not to implement EU rules that state 'migrants must prove that they are either working, actively seeking work or self-sufficient.' Other EU countries do this.

I must confess I didn't know about the highlighted bit. How would this work in practice?. Would countries be able to stop people entering if they didn't fit into one of the brackets. And surely somebody looking to come here would simply have to say they are actively seeking work. So what's the point?

As regards movement of people, I fully accept that we desperately need migrant workers in the UK. We have a skill shortage in many areas and also a lot of Brits are reluctant to do the "dirty" low paid jobs that migrants are prepared to. But having a completely open door policy isn't workable as you need both the jobs and the infrastructure to sustain it. As it is, the net influx from Europe means that we have huge restrictions on migration from the rest of the world. I would prefer a structured controlled system whereby we bring in people specifically to meet the demand in skillset and jobs availability.

As regards the single market/customs union, this is not something that was particularly high on my agenda for change. Yes there are opportunities being missed as regards trade deals with other nations. Plus the rules are put together to benefit 28 nation states and by definition there will be elements in there that will be to the detriment of the UK. I'm not an expert so don't ask me to quote chapter and verse. By coming out of the customs union we would be able to adopt the laws that benefit us and drop those that don't. Obviously, for this to work, we need to negotiate favourable terms to continue trading with the EC. I've already said I don't support a no deal Brexit.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Not just that mate, obviously, both sides. Stating as an impartial citizen who's conscientious.

You're not impartial, orchard. You're like me. You're a ManUre supporter for 90-odd minutes on Sunday!

 

[Old Blue 2]

It wasn't on behalf of the Remain Campaign, it was on behalf of the government, so not subject to the £7m allowance on behalf of Campaign spending.

The government also faces restrictions on the type of information it can put out. It just so happens that the government's position (i.e it's not a good idea) had many parallels with the Remain Campaign.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/194635/Public-Bodies-and-EU-Referendum-material.pdf

Go read every page of that leaflet. It reeks of 'REMAIN!!!' in every sentence/paragraph. Didn't fool me for a second. It apparently didn't fool a lot of others also...

 

[Barnfred 55]

May's deal doesn't involve the UK being tied to the single market, only NI. That is the whole crux of the backstop - for it to apply to NI so custom checks happen in the channel, not on land. It was the UK calling for a customs union with an arrangement for unilateral withdrawal, in place of a backstop.

I'm sorry but in what world will NI being in a single market work whilst it is still part of the UK? It won't. UK Companies will simply be opening offices in NI to trade with Europe. Scotland, and probably London too, will be banging on the door demanding the same.

Any single market arrangement that is applied to NI will also HAVE to apply to the UK as otherwise it would be unworkable from all sides. Unless NI left the UK of course.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Go read every page of that leaflet. It reeks of 'REMAIN!!!' in every sentence/paragraph. Didn't fool me for a second. It apparently didn't fool a lot of others also...

Regardless of whether it 'reeks of REMAIN!!!' (I don't even know where to start with that), there was nothing illegal about it, as illustrated above.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Regardless of whether it 'reeks of REMAIN!!!' (I don't even know where to start with that), there was nothing illegal about it, as illustrated above.

Quite how Cameron got away with it, escapes me...

 

[Old Blue 2]

Now I've got some work to do, so I'm outta here for a few minutes.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Quite how Cameron got away with it, escapes me...

Because, legally, it wasn't covered by the same rules as the Campaigns.

 

[Barnfred 55]

If by the opposition, you mean remainers, it absolutely doesn't deliver what they want. Freedom of movement is curtailed under May's deal. It's a softer brexit but not soft.

By opposition, I'm referring to the rest of the 500 MPs who voted to invoke article 50. If, in fact, they are remainers, then why did they vote to invoke article 50. They should have voted against it.

As regards freedom of movement, I refer back to my previous post. Any single market applied to NI will have to apply to the rest of the UK to be workable. I'm assuming that would involve freedom of movement as the EC have said all along that we couldn't have a single market without it.

Even so, the vast majority of concerns I have heard from remain supporters understandably refers to job losses were we to leave without a deal. Surely being in a single market largely negates those concerns.

I understand why the hard Brexiteers haven't voted for the May deal, and I also understand why the DUP didn't want NI to be treated as a special case. But I still don't understand why the remaining MPs who voted to invoke article 50 didn't support what is, in effect, as soft a Brexit as they are likely to get.

Unless, of course, their real aim is to reverse the referendum outcome and stay in the EC.