Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Barnfred 55 said:
Can somebody please explain something to an old confused Brexit voter. Forgive me but I'm a bit thick and have difficulty understanding things.

Theresa May has come up with a deal. From what I can see the deal includes us staying in the customs union for a further 2 years whilst both sides continue to negotiate on the future relationship, mainly relating to trade deals and movement of nationals between UK and the EC. Any deal agreed having to be ratified by Parliament. To safeguard the Good Friday peace agreement, a backstop has been put in place to prevent any hard border in Ireland, which involves Northern Ireland being in a single customs union with the EC if no agreement is reached within 18 months. Assuming Northern Ireland is still part of the UK, that effectively ties the whole of the UK into the same deal. Furthermore, both parties need to agree to the cessation of the customs union. In other words, we are tied to it indefinitely.

As a Brexit voter that does not sit comfortably with me, as the single market/customs union and complete freedom of movement were two of the areas that I felt needed tweeking. If Parliament voted for it I would have to accept it, but I would feel as though the Brexit I voted for had not been delivered. However if the alternative was leaving with no deal at all, then I certainly believe a soft Brexit is the better of the two evils.

I can fully understand why the hard Brexit supporters within the Conservative Party voted against the deal. What I don't understand, and where I need some help from you guys, is why the whole of the opposition voted it down too. Given that it basically delivered what they want as regards freedom of movement and single market, plus ensuring that we don't end up in a no deal situation, I thought they would have jumped at the opportunity for such a soft Brexit.
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I think Corbyn voted against because he wants a general election, which he imagines he can win. And he runs scared of upsetting the 36 per cent of Labour voters who voted to leave. And he thinks the EU is a bad thing.
If we follow the referendum vote then May's deal looks like as much middle ground as there is going. But she will be out of office without the DUP and ERG. So she hopes everyone else will bottle it at the last minute- or the country drives off the no deal cliff to save the effing Tories.
i think we should have another referendum, now we are older and wiser, to confirm what deal (or no deal) parliament proposes, with remain as an option.
 
Ron Swanson said:
Do you not see everything adding up, pete? Businesses leaving. Money leaving. The cumulative affect will be felt and felt hardest at the lowest levels.

No one said armageddon, but we will Al be significantly worse off over the next few decades.
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As I said, it’s just companies establishing a presence in another country but being interpreted as rats deserting a sinking ship. It’s just normal business. Eu based businesses will be doing the exact same thing within the U.K., but of course no one will report or amplify that........
 
peteblue said:
As I said, it’s just companies establishing a presence in another country but being interpreted as rats desertinga sinking ship. It’s just normal business. Eu based businesses will be doing the exact same thing within the U.K., but of course no one will report or amplify that........
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This.

There's a global downturn in car manufacturing. It's also cheaper to manufacture in China, hence a lot of companies going there.

It really isn't as much to do with Brexit as some make out. I'm sure the uncertainty over Brexit is a factor, but it's not the main factor.
 
Ron Swanson said:
Do you not see everything adding up, pete? Businesses leaving. Money leaving. The cumulative affect will be felt and felt hardest at the lowest levels.

No one said armageddon, but we will Al be significantly worse off over the next few decades.
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Pete you are still stuck in the euphoric moment (for you) of the referendum vote. Like you are stuck welcoming Wayne back. Time for a rethink on both?
 
orchard said:
Did they mention the bus? Asking for a friend.
@Joey66
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Did they mention the £9.5 million used by Cameron on leaflets to every household in the UK on behalf of the Remain campaign that busted in one go the financial maximum re campaigning? And the breach of copyright in that leaflet also? Asking for a friend...
 
Old Blue 2 said:
Did they mention the £9.5 million used by Cameron on leaflets to every household in the UK on behalf of the Remain campaign that busted in one go the financial maximum re campaigning? And the breach of copyright in that leaflet also? Asking for a friend...
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Good point, absolutely rotten to the core wasn't it?
 
Joey66 said:
I don't post on here anymore after being called a Kopite four times ... reported it = nothing much done ... the way things are going imo Brexit will never happen.....just a haunch ?
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Oh, didn't realise mate, your valuable time and strengths will enhance the other areas of got a lot more than here.
 
orchard said:
Oh, didn't realise mate, your valuable time and strengths will enhance the other areas of got a lot more than here.
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Yes enjoy the GOT -but this thread is going around in circles - not been that well lately anyway - but if someone calls you an idiot , a Kopite { a bigger insult imo} then its not worth coming on until Brexit is over....
great comeradary on other threads anyway ;)
 
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