Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Ron Swanson]

In simple terms wouldn't any trade deal make our exports cheaper and our imports too. So exports go up and consumer prices go down. HMRC would lose out on some customs duties but hopefully they would recoup that in increased taxation linked to economic growth.

You mean, we have no tariffs? How would this help exports?

What would you say to UK businesses destroyed by the influx of cheap, tariff free commodities from other countries?

Where would you stand on regulations on food imports? Should they be binned too?

 

[Barnfred 55]

You can, of course, apply large parts of the single market, EU VAT and customs union to NI and not the rest of the UK. That's the whole point of the backstop. You just shift customs and border checks away from the Irish border and to the Irish sea border. It would mean that people and goods from NI in the UK (and vice versa) would be subject to the same controls as if they were coming from ROI. This would not mean that the UK as a whole would be in the single market or customs union. Items going to NI would have to comply with EU standards, but then so would any export to the EU. In trade, NI would be treated as being in the EU, otherwise, it will be governed the same

Do you really believe that is workable in the real world?

I personally would go with that. UK business's looking to trade with EC could set up companies in NI to conduct that side of the business and it would bring much needed employment to the region.

Still can't see it working though. Europe would see it as a back door into their customs union and quickly close it down IMO. Plus, as I said, the SDP would be all over it and rightly so.

 

[Barnfred 55]

You mean, we have no tariffs? How would this help exports?

What would you say to UK businesses destroyed by the influx of cheap, tariff free commodities from other countries?

Where would you stand on regulations on food imports? Should they be binned too?

Tariffs would be reciprocated so our exports would be cheaper. I'm not saying have no tariffs. I'm saying we negotiate with countries where no agreement exists. We need to take care of our existing business and surely can do this better than we could under the EU who would be negotiating in behkf of the whole region rather than individual members. Or is that too simplistic.

Obviously there are needs to be strict regulations in place re food imports. In the event of a no deal Brexit we also need to safeguard our produce industry as EU tariffs are so high. I honestly don't know how much of our produce is exported to Europe so not really able to say too much more on that.

Nowhere have I ever said we should do away with tariffs altogether.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Plus, as I said, the SDP would be all over it and rightly so.

SNP

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Which was largely accepted yesterday by the Court regarding illegality.

From the case yesterday the Government QC James Eadie:

'The true position is that the PM is well aware of the notorious facts...well publishised facts...of the Electoral Commission findings, fact of an appeal, police investigations, Information Commissioners Office, DCMS committees. All properly done...& it it perfectly obvious that the PM has decided to carry on'.

Absolutely bonkers.

Also: if parliament is sovereign, i.e they are the representatives of the electorate and ultimately exercise the supreme right of authority, why is the PM can decide without judicial or parliamentary consideration to proceed with political policy?

I'd be interested to know how that fits with the narrative of 'taking back control'?

I'm sure those fellas will be along any minute to tell us what taking back control actually means.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Tariffs would be reciprocated so our exports would be cheaper. I'm not saying have no tariffs. I'm saying we negotiate with countries where no agreement exists. We need to take care of our existing business and surely can do this better than we could under the EU who would be negotiating in behkf of the whole region rather than individual members. Or is that too simplistic.

Obviously there are needs to be strict regulations in place re food imports. In the event of a no deal Brexit we also need to safeguard our produce industry as EU tariffs are so high. I honestly don't know how much of our produce is exported to Europe so not really able to say too much more on that.

Nowhere have I ever said we should do away with tariffs altogether.

I see this mentioned a lot. Has there been any official indication that this would be a policy or that any tariffs that did exist would be reimbursed to companies (or how that bureaucracy would be actually managed)?

 

[Old Blue 2]

Because, legally, it wasn't covered by the same rules as the Campaigns.

Perhaps so, JEBUS, but come on, it was blatant campaigning. Anyone could see that!

 

[Jebus_lives]

Perhaps so, JEBUS, but come on, it was blatant campaigning. Anyone could see that!

I think it took the boundaries of the restrictions as far as it possibly could. But the government is under a duty to inform the public of the implications and not governed by the same rules as the Campaigns.

 

[Old Blue 2]

I think it took the boundaries of the restrictions as far as it possibly could. But the government is under a duty to inform the public of the implications and not governed by the same rules as the Campaigns.

Rather, I would suggest the Government of the day had a duty to advise the population quite neutrally of the scenario to both sides of the equation, which they lamentably failed to do. It was biased in one direction only.

I do think we are going round and round on this issue now...

 

[Jebus_lives]

Rather, I would suggest the Government of the day had a duty to advise the population quite neutrally of the scenario to both sides of the equation, which they lamentably failed to do. It was biased in one direction only.

I do think we are going round and round on this issue now...

And yet the Electoral Commission rejected the claim regarding the government and Remain Campaign. Yet has declared the Leave Campaign illegal.

Let's do a quick fact check on the claims shall we?

Government leaflet:

Reality Check: The government's referendum leaflet

The government is sending out a leaflet to 27 million homes explaining why it thinks people should vote to stay in the EU. Here is a selection of claims it makes.

www.bbc.com

The government's EU leaflet: introduction – Full Fact

We’ve combed through the government's 16-page EU referendum booklet and factchecked the claims they make in their argument about why they think we should vote to remain.

fullfact.org

Leave

Reality Check: Checking the Vote Leave leaflet

The Reality Check team looks into the claims made in a leaflet from Vote Leave.

www.bbc.co.uk

Vote Leave "facts" leaflet: EU law – Full Fact

Factchecking the Vote Leave "facts" leaflet.

fullfact.org

 

[Ron Swanson]

Tariffs would be reciprocated so our exports would be cheaper. I'm not saying have no tariffs. I'm saying we negotiate with countries where no agreement exists. We need to take care of our existing business and surely can do this better than we could under the EU who would be negotiating in behkf of the whole region rather than individual members. Or is that too simplistic.

Obviously there are needs to be strict regulations in place re food imports. In the event of a no deal Brexit we also need to safeguard our produce industry as EU tariffs are so high. I honestly don't know how much of our produce is exported to Europe so not really able to say too much more on that.

Nowhere have I ever said we should do away with tariffs altogether.

Unicorns for all. Huzzah!!!

 

[Armel]

I must confess I didn't know about the highlighted bit. How would this work in practice?. Would countries be able to stop people entering if they didn't fit into one of the brackets. And surely somebody looking to come here would simply have to say they are actively seeking work. So what's the point?

It's actually relatively simple. E.g: Belgium

If you're staying for less than 3 months (and not in a hotel/tourist establishment). You're required to register yourself within 10 working days, failure to do so will result in sanctions.

3 months plus: You also have to register and effectively show that you have sufficient funds, you have an extra insurance ... In short a lot of documents you have to hand over. You have three months to do this (so you can search for a job etc...). Failure will result in back to sender.

You can off course work in the illegal economy, not recommended. Plus you're then confined to shady landlords etc... Another hurdle is that there is the obligation of identification for everyone >15 (always have your identity card on you, otherwise you will probably end up in the police station- in fairness mostly if you don't sound/look native).

 

[jaycee]

Unicorns for all. Huzzah!!!

Goes well with chips

 

[Old Blue 2]

And yet the Electoral Commission rejected the claim regarding the government and Remain Campaign. Yet has declared the Leave Campaign illegal.

Let's do a quick fact check on the claims shall we?

Government leaflet:

Reality Check: The government's referendum leaflet

The government is sending out a leaflet to 27 million homes explaining why it thinks people should vote to stay in the EU. Here is a selection of claims it makes.

www.bbc.com

The government's EU leaflet: introduction – Full Fact

We’ve combed through the government's 16-page EU referendum booklet and factchecked the claims they make in their argument about why they think we should vote to remain.

fullfact.org

Leave

Reality Check: Checking the Vote Leave leaflet

The Reality Check team looks into the claims made in a leaflet from Vote Leave.

www.bbc.co.uk

Vote Leave "facts" leaflet: EU law – Full Fact

Factchecking the Vote Leave "facts" leaflet.

fullfact.org

The first two sentences of the first link say it all: "...The government explicitly states that the leaflet is arguing for the UK remaining in the EU. So it is not attempting to be even-handed..."

QED, JEBUS...

 

[JammyP]

I have my own views on why Corbyn wants to leave the EC which is probably best left unsaid in here as I may fall foul of the mods. Let's just say I'm not convinced where his allegiances lielol.

As regards a new vote, how would you feel if 2 years ago we voted to remain, and now you were being asked to take part in another referendum askng the same question? Would it bother you or would you be quite happy to have your vote potentially overturned.

Also what questions would you ask in the new referendum?

Assuming the result was reversed, which is a distinct possibility seeing as the original one was so close, would you agree that a precedent had been set and so the ground is automatically set for a further referendum within another short timescale, whichever side loses.

Personally, I don't believe that having a second referendum will settle this once and for all. I think we have already become a country obsessed with Brexit and can only see this getting even worse in the future. Just the uncertainty alone will effect investment in the UK and could be as bad as actually leaving with a no deal.

Mr Cameron has a lot to answer for.

We have a representative democracy. Referendums, indicative or binding, are anomalous. And no more than does a general election can they decide anything once and for all. We elect MPs to exercise their judgment on issues of the day. Cameron by passed parliament to save the Tories, confident of the outcome. A fool.