Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Barnfred 55 said:
Below is a definition of bigoted.

Now bear in mind I'm talking about in relation to Brexit specifically here, not in general.

I'm struggling to name any remain supporter in here, or that I've had a conversation with generally about Brexit anywhere else, that has not had a bigoted attitude towards my views on Brexit. And I consider myself to be a very moderate Brexiteer. There may have been one or two exceptions, but from memory everybody else's attitude has been you're wrong, we're right. Nobody has even tried to understand it from my side.

You may not see that as being bigoted. But it is.
/ˈbɪɡətɪd/
adjective
adjective: bigoted
  1. obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, and intolerant towards other people's beliefs and practices.
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I think Joe voted to leave?
 
roydo said:
Why is it Unreasonable to think leaving or remaining is good or bad? I would guess that most on both sides have arrived at their decision following their own mind/listening to the arguments.

My opinion may well differ from others as to the validity of their reasoning, but I dont think thats unreasonable.
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Did you even see the word "or"?
 
tsubaki said:
It is the Tory Party who promised the referendum, the Tory Party who ran both Leave and Remain campaigns, the Tory Party who negotiated Brexit and (with the DUP) have a majority in the Commons. Parliament - the Commons - is actually doing what it is meant to do, hold the Government to account and not meekly accept its blandishments.
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Only in effect some of the tory party. The referendum was All Cameron, dressed up with the Emperors collective cabinet responsibility new clothes.

If, as I have been told, the referendum was not binding, why dont parliament just say...as they have a right to, sorry no, for the good of all...as we see it obvs. we've over turned the referendum, took the flack and move on.

Rather than doing nothing, like now.
Or
Having a 2nd vote...IMO, totally undemocratic.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
OK. I'll turn this in it's head.

Such as?
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Benefits of staying?

Free trade
No Irish border issue/tensions in NI
Control of our borders for non EU citizens
Workers rights
Free movement within the EU
UK manufacturing base an access route to the EU market
Access to the European Court(s)
Secure and working supply chain
Security for London (and Edinburgh) as leaders in the financial markets.

Thats without going into detail re numerous pan EU cooperation arrangements that others such as @Bruce Wayne are more familier with.
 
roydo said:
Benefits of staying?

Free trade
No Irish border issue/tensions in NI
Control of our borders for non EU citizens
Workers rights
Free movement within the EU
UK manufacturing base an access route to the EU market
Access to the European Court(s)
Secure and working supply chain
Security for London (and Edinburgh) as leaders in the financial markets.

Thats without going into detail re numerous pan EU cooperation arrangements that others such as @Bruce Wayne are more familier with.
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Not exactly a mystery is it?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...one-for-us-david-cameron-brexit-a6850626.html

When a rag like that can summarise the benefits easily and factually, it's kind of obvious that... well, it's obvious what the benefits are.

Ask the same question to a Leaver about the benefits of leaving, and they'll shout "LEAVE MEANS LEAVE", "THE 52%", "REMOANERS", "TAKE BACK CONTROL!" at you for 15 minutes and hope you don't ask again.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
Below is a definition of bigoted.

Now bear in mind I'm talking about in relation to Brexit specifically here, not in general.

I'm struggling to name any remain supporter in here, or that I've had a conversation with generally about Brexit anywhere else, that has not had a bigoted attitude towards my views on Brexit. And I consider myself to be a very moderate Brexiteer. There may have been one or two exceptions, but from memory everybody else's attitude has been you're wrong, we're right. Nobody has even tried to understand it from my side.

You may not see that as being bigoted. But it is.
/ˈbɪɡətɪd/
adjective
adjective: bigoted
  1. obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, and intolerant towards other people's beliefs and practices.
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Personally think it’s the other way round. I have never heard a leave supporter state anything positive about the eu. Whereas many people that voted to remain admit to flaws within the eu. That’s the reason the leave vote won. It was based on a black and white ideology whereas to vote remain was more of a nuanced decision that was not driven by blinkered prejudice.
 
Tubey said:
Not exactly a mystery is it?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...one-for-us-david-cameron-brexit-a6850626.html

When a rag like that can summarise the benefits easily and factually, it's kind of obvious that... well, it's obvious what the benefits are.

Ask the same question to a Leaver about the benefits of leaving, and they'll shout "LEAVE MEANS LEAVE", "THE 52%", "REMOANERS", "TAKE BACK CONTROL!" at you for 15 minutes and hope you don't ask again.
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On here they’ll say that ‘they’re not going to go into it again’
 
JimmyJeffers said:
On here they’ll say that ‘they’re not going to go into it again’
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To be fair, OldBlue did mention it in post #917, and if you missed it, well that's your tough luck. It also revealed who killed Lord Lucan and that Pierluigi Collina is actually Clive Thomas' son but was given up for adoption by a Napolese mafia don living on the Wirral in return for immunity.
 
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