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[Barnfred 55]

No. Referendums can be advisory or mandatory, with mandatory referendums Government have to implement the referendum decision. An advisory referendum, like the Brexit referendum, which serves as a guide to help government decide on the path chosen.

But then the government and parliament combined chose to implement it by overwhelmingly voting to invoke article 50. Thereby making it legal.

If those same MPs had any balls whatsoever, they would vote to revoke article 50 if they have now changed their minds, rather than hide behind a second referendum with the question heavily loaded in favour of remain. But they don't want to do that because 1, they don't want to [Poor language removed] a load of their voters and 2, they realise they are flying in the face of democracy. It may become their last option though if they don't want to risk a general election.

 

[Barnfred 55]

If you say so...

What's the difference between ignoring the wishes of millions of leave voters and ignoring the wishes of millions of remain voters.

Genuine question. All answers welcome.

 

[Khalekan]

Surely you have to implement the result of the first vote before you ask again.A bit like in a General Election

Yes, if it was just as simple as “implementing” it.

But as we have seen, implementing it is like untying the Gordian Knot and even Brexit’s most fervent proponents had no idea of the procedures and complexities involved in so doing.

Not least with the effect it would have in Northern Ireland, which has become the rock upon which Brexit is marooned and is in danger of floundering altogether..

IMO the cart was put before the horse.

The deal with which we would leave the EU should have been one option, Remain the other.

So if and when a final deal is agreed, that needs to be put to the people to ratify or not IMO.

 

[Jebus_lives]

But then the government and parliament combined chose to implement it by overwhelmingly voting to invoke article 50. Thereby making it legal.

If those same MPs had any balls whatsoever, they would vote to revoke article 50 if they have now changed their minds, rather than hide behind a second referendum with the question heavily loaded in favour of remain. But they don't want to do that because 1, they don't want to [Poor language removed] a load of their voters and 2, they realise they are flying in the face of democracy. It may become their last option though if they don't want to risk a general election.

They didn't have to, which is the point.

I do find it an odd position that democracy is only being failed post referendum, like the conduct and activity prior to the result should be overlooked.

 

[Jebus_lives]

What's the difference between ignoring the wishes of millions of leave voters and ignoring the wishes of millions of remain voters.

Genuine question. All answers welcome.

You aren't asking for the 'wishes' of these people are you, you're simply asking if they would prefer to leave or remain.

If the question was 'what future relationship do you want to have with the European Union?' you would have a very different outcome.

 

[Joey66]

There all on holiday .... they dont give a crap about anything other than themselves.......MPs.........
London at a standstill and the Mayor nowhere to be seen.......

 

[orchard]

But then the government and parliament combined chose to implement it by overwhelmingly voting to invoke article 50. Thereby making it legal.

If those same MPs had any balls whatsoever, they would vote to revoke article 50 if they have now changed their minds, rather than hide behind a second referendum with the question heavily loaded in favour of remain. But they don't want to do that because 1, they don't want to [Poor language removed] a load of their voters and 2, they realise they are flying in the face of democracy. It may become their last option though if they don't want to risk a general election.

Parliament can't bind itself, hard to blame them for being cautious after the last three years of very little consistent substance with no compromise.

Regarding another one of your posts, if it was a binding referendum it would have been void.

 

[Joey66]

They didn't have to, which is the point.

I do find it an odd position that democracy is only being failed post referendum, like the conduct and activity prior to the result should be overlooked.

Why the MPs voted 6-1 in favour of the ballot paper - if Davy boy had been going to get anything from the EU - there may have been no need for it .....
On the plus side it got rid of the austerity minded Gideon - who would not give a door a bang only if we had a sensible Labour leader- they should have gained power over Brainless May .....in the GE - claiming a defeat was a victory ......

 

[roydo]

Why the MPs voted 6-1 in favour of the ballot paper - if Davy boy had been going to get anything from the EU - there may have been no need for it .....
On the plus side it got rid of the austerity minded Gideon - who would not give a door a bang only if we had a sensible Labour leader- they should have gained power over Brainless May .....in the GE - claiming a defeat was a victory ......

Coulda woulda shoulda mate.

We are where we are now. Why and How is academic.

Havnt a clue how this will pan out over the next few months.

 

[Joey66]

Coulda woulda shoulda mate.

We are where we are now. Why and How is academic.

Havnt a clue how this will pan out over the next few months.

I think both Corbyn , and May will with the EU do a soft Brexit to try and stop the EU elections or No Brexit ......

 

[roydo]

I think both Corbyn , and May will with the EU do a soft Brexit to try and stop the EU elections or No Brexit ......

You may well be right. And if so, I would be sort of Ok with that. Thing is, I cant see the motivation for Corbyn to assist. He is front and centre after a GE, soon as possible.

 

[Joey66]

You may well be right. And if so, I would be sort of Ok with that. Thing is, I cant see the motivation for Corbyn to assist. He is front and centre after a GE, soon as possible.

Then the local elections they will both get a ruddy nose , and that may change things if the Brexit party out do them..... or even UKip but I can see voters switching to Farage like him or loathe him he just seems to get a following over the EU.......

 

[Barnfred 55]

They didn't have to, which is the point.

They didn't have to I agree. But they did. Overwhelmingly. So the fact that the referendum was only advisory became mute. It was now legal. So I don't know what point you are making.

I do find it an odd position that democracy is only being failed post referendum, like the conduct and activity prior to the result should be overlooked

What are you referring to. Exceeding the campaign budget?

 

[Barnfred 55]

You aren't asking for the 'wishes' of these people are you, you're simply asking if they would prefer to leave or remain.

If the question was 'what future relationship do you want to have with the European Union?' you would have a very different outcome.

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Help me.

My point is quite simple. You all want a referendum where the choice of questions will ignore the wishes of millions of leave voters. I'm saying that is blatantly not democratic.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Regarding another one of your posts, if it was a binding referendum it would have been void.

Which post was this?