Current Affairs EU In or Out

[orchard]

Anna Soubery after the result was annouched in a TV interview from her constituency.......That's it I've judge the vote wrong I have to stand by their vote as we are all out of touch with the Out voters .......
Two faced bitch ........

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[Joey66]

The ones that have a conscience are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They could easily vote in line with what their constituency did, however if that leads to large job losses in those areas they have to live with the fallout. I'd suggest that the ones that are for a no deal Brexit and point to just following orders to keep themselves in a job are the MPs who are self serving in all of this.

It's too late now , but this all stems from having a weak leader with a shocking track record who deep down was a remainer .....The EU sold her a right pup of a deal,hence the impasse that has followed.......
To me our country our reputation has bit the dust already....

 

[peteblue]

How long do you think this will all take?

If we leave on the 12th, we start trading under WTO immediately, deals with USA, Canada and Aus will be done within 2 years. A deal with the Eu will take a decade......

 

[The binman chronicles]

It's too late now , but this all stems from having a weak leader with a shocking track record who deep down was a remainer .....The EU sold her a right pup of a deal,hence the impasse that has followed.......
To me our country our reputation has bit the dust already....

Something we can agree on.

They haven't given enough for us remainers to feel secure that the government is on top if this. We were told we would know what our future holds with the EU, but we still haven't got a clue.

If last year they had a cohesive plan of where this was going you wouldn't have had half the resistance that it is facing now.

 

[peteblue]

The referendum, the GE, the government and the HoC have been hi-jacked by the speaker...this will not end well.....

 

[marnie]

Anna Soubery after the result was annouched in a TV interview from her constituency.......That's it I've judge the vote wrong I have to stand by their vote as we are all out of touch with the Out voters .......
Two faced bitch ........

Every last one of them in the HoC is a two faced Rat Scumbag.

 

[Joey66]

Every last one of them in the HoC is a two faced Rat Scumbag.

I just have a dislike for her after her emotional speech, I seen - your right most of them don't give to figs of what the public ever want......
oh and her crappy face lift no wonder she's two facedlol
@orchard can flag that too

 

[Barnfred 55]

It would have been easy if a Brexit PM and Brexit advisors had fetched a decent deal back........
Mays deal is so toxic we might as well stay in the EU......

I don't agree at all Joey. Brexit was never going to be easy. Even if our government had gone about it the right way, we would have come up against stiff opposition from the EU. Not everybody across the E27 are pro EU, in fact there is a lot of opposition to it, so there was no way Brussels was ever going to make it easy for us because there would be a real danger that other's would follow suit. Irrespective of the complexities with the Ireland border, which itself has proven to be a stumbling block that they haven't found a solution to, there was no way that the EU would help facilitate it's own downfall. I also thought Gibraltar would have been another big stumbling block, and I think it is as far as Spain is concerned, but the EU seemed to have put a cap on this.

Added to this is that 68% of constituents voted to leave and 75% of MPs voted to remain, and the fact that the vast majority of the 16m remain voters refused to accept the referendum results. This has resulted in a massive campaign to stay within the EU. Apart from preventing our parliament from being able to make a decision, it's also given Brussels the confidence to stand firm in their hard line negotiating stance.

Having said all that, I do believe that if we had gone about it the right way from the outset, rather than handing the initiative to the EU, that a good deal beneficial to both sides could have been reached. But it would have been hard work Joey, certainly not easy.

We don't know yet we have not left - if we did leave on April the 12th the EU would soon sort a Trade deal out......

I disagree again Joey. Just say we leave with no deal next Friday, what do you think will happen to the £39b divorce settlement?. My guess is that the government will be under immense pressure not to pay it, or at least the vast majority of it. The EU's response will be to not enter into any negotiations until this is paid, and it's possible that they may go even more hardball and say they want the full amount up front before starting negotiations. They will undoubtedly also take legal action to recover it. All this will take years Joey, and in that time our relations with the E27 will fall to a post WWII low. It will be years before we even talk about trade deals. I really believe that, irrespective of tariffs and costs, a lot of ordinary people on both sides will stop buying goods from the other out of principle, they will stop going on holiday etc.

We have a strong economy Joey, 5th biggest in the world, and I think there has been a lot of scare mongering about just how bad a no deal Brexit will be, both logistically and financially. But there will still be a lot of harm done to both the EU and the UK if it happens. Sure we can ride it out in the long run but a lot of people on both sides will suffer financially, and relations between us and the E27 will be put back years as I've already mentioned. This will surely have ramifications for Brits living across the EU and vice versa.

I still want to leave the EU Joey, but not with a no deal.

 

[St Domestos]

The ones that have a conscience are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They could easily vote in line with what their constituency did, however if that leads to large job losses in those areas they have to live with the fallout. I'd suggest that the ones that are for a no deal Brexit and point to just following orders to keep themselves in a job are the MPs who are self serving in all of this.

And so do the people who voted leave - after all MP's are public servants to their constituency. They can give advice but should respect the people's wishes regardless. 77% of MP's voted to remain that's why we have this gridlock - if that was reversed the UK would've left the EU already.

Let's see how many of these courageous MP's are re-elected.

 

[Joey66]

I don't agree at all Joey. Brexit was never going to be easy. Even if our government had gone about it the right way, we would have come up against stiff opposition from the EU. Not everybody across the E27 are pro EU, in fact there is a lot of opposition to it, so there was no way Brussels was ever going to make it easy for us because there would be a real danger that other's would follow suit. Irrespective of the complexities with the Ireland border, which itself has proven to be a stumbling block that they haven't found a solution to, there was no way that the EU would help facilitate it's own downfall. I also thought Gibraltar would have been another big stumbling block, and I think it is as far as Spain is concerned, but the EU seemed to have put a cap on this.

Added to this is that 68% of constituents voted to leave and 75% of MPs voted to remain, and the fact that the vast majority of the 16m remain voters refused to accept the referendum results. This has resulted in a massive campaign to stay within the EU. Apart from preventing our parliament from being able to make a decision, it's also given Brussels the confidence to stand firm in their hard line negotiating stance.

Having said all that, I do believe that if we had gone about it the right way from the outset, rather than handing the initiative to the EU, that a good deal beneficial to both sides could have been reached. But it would have been hard work Joey, certainly not easy.

I disagree again Joey. Just say we leave with no deal next Friday, what do you think will happen to the £39b divorce settlement?. My guess is that the government will be under immense pressure not to pay it, or at least the vast majority of it. The EU's response will be to not enter into any negotiations until this is paid, and it's possible that they may go even more hardball and say they want the full amount up front before starting negotiations. They will undoubtedly also take legal action to recover it. All this will take years Joey, and in that time our relations with the E27 will fall to a post WWII low. It will be years before we even talk about trade deals. I really believe that, irrespective of tariffs and costs, a lot of ordinary people on both sides will stop buying goods from the other out of principle, they will stop going on holiday etc.

We have a strong economy Joey, 5th biggest in the world, and I think there has been a lot of scare mongering about just how bad a no deal Brexit will be, both logistically and financially. But there will still be a lot of harm done to both the EU and the UK if it happens. Sure we can ride it out in the long run but a lot of people on both sides will suffer financially, and relations between us and the E27 will be put back years as I've already mentioned. This will surely have ramifications for Brits living across the EU and vice versa.

I still want to leave the EU Joey, but not with a no deal.

My point was May completely made a big mess of the negotiations....we needed a strong negotiator she is not a strong negotiator......we needed a fair deal offering 39 billion euros.......

 

[St Domestos]

Is it self serving to protect the interests of people who you don't think made a decision with the full awareness of facts?

I'm not coming down on either side of the fence on that, I just thought it was an interesting debate on the role of Parliament in our Democratic structure.

They pushing their own agenda(to remain) and not the over all majority of their constituent's...that's self serving.

Do we know all the fact's of how the future of European Union will be shaped?

 

[Barnfred 55]

My point was May completely made a big mess of the negotiations....we needed a strong negotiator she is not a strong negotiator......we needed a fair deal offering 39 billion euros.......

Oh I agree with that 100% Joey. I'm just saying it wouldn't have been easy even if she had.

I don't think she really couldn't have handled it any worse.

But at this late stage, I really don't think there's any point going over old ground, laying blame and sticking to red lines. There needs to be compromise and no side, not the leave, remain or indeed the EU, is showing any sign of being able to do that.

 

[Jebus_lives]

If we leave on the 12th, we start trading under WTO immediately, deals with USA, Canada and Aus will be done within 2 years. A deal with the Eu will take a decade......

Do we, have we sorted out our commitments for WTO trading with all the WTO members?

 

[Barnfred 55]

And so do the people who voted leave - after all MP's are public servants to their constituency. They can give advice but should respect the people's wishes regardless. 77% of MP's voted to remain that's why we have this gridlock - if that was reversed the UK would've left the EU already.

Let's see how many of these courageous MP's are re-elected.

A lot of these MPs, cross party, will find they will be deselected by their constituents, and a lot of those that aren't will find out what the electorate think when they go to the polls.

 

[Jebus_lives]

They pushing their own agenda(to remain) and not the over all majority of their constituent's...that's self serving.

Do we know all the fact's of how the future of European Union will be shaped?

No, but we currently have a say in how it is run, we won't in the future.