Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Barnfred 55 said:
No it isn't mate. But it's getting to the stage whereby we either stay in the EU, leave with no deal or compromise. Not a great choice really. Most in here would say remain would be the obvious choice but that doesn't solve the original problem that approx. half of Brits don't want to be in the EU. Nor I think does it cater for the growing consensus that large parts of the EU don't want us either.

But hey. Nobody said it was going to be easy. Oh sorry, yes they did.:)
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I don't think the EU want the UK to leave the EU. I just think they've had enough of the ERG lot pissing around.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
Not just talking about the EU parliament or the individual governments themselves, but also the average Joe on the street in those countries. @Armel posts give an excellent insight.
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I see..yes I think you're right. There seems to be a feeling that the UK have had numerous concessions, while being a driving force behind many of the things that we now seem to be squaring solely at the EU.

I also agree that @Armel is an excellent contributor to this thread :cheers:
 
Barnfred 55 said:
No it isn't mate. But it's getting to the stage whereby we either stay in the EU, leave with no deal or compromise. Not a great choice really. Most in here would say remain would be the obvious choice but that doesn't solve the original problem that approx. half of Brits don't want to be in the EU. Nor I think does it cater for the growing consensus that large parts of the EU don't want us either.

But hey. Nobody said it was going to be easy. Oh sorry, yes they did.:)
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It would have been easy if a Brexit PM and Brexit advisors had fetched a decent deal back........
Mays deal is so toxic we might as well stay in the EU......
 
Joey66 said:
It would have been easy if a Brexit PM and Brexit advisors had fetched a decent deal back........
Mays deal is so toxic we might as well stay in the EU......
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If only Brexiteers had been in a position to negotiate this deal, say for example, the Brexit Secretary.

Someone like David Davis or Dominic Raab. That would get us the deal we want!
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
This is why I think the entire thing is a nonesense. There's too many permutations to accurately say what the country wanted - other than leave.

I feel sorry for the people that voted leave on the promise of things that cannot be delivered. It was bare faced lying by people that never thought they would win it, so felt no requirement to operate with any degree of responsibility to the country. Then they got what they wanted in terms of Brexit and slowly backed away from the limelight to spend their time shouting at others for not making good on the promises that they had irresponsibility made.

Likewise the remain campaign was championed by Osborne and Cameron telling people to vote for 'stability and the status quo', to people they'd spent years telling they 'needed to take their medicine' in the form of Austerity. If you tell people with nothing to vote for the status quo, why is anyone surprised, they en masse gave a resounding 'no thanks!'


Given that this should rest with the people of the country, I think you go back, eyes open and ask the public what on Earth it is they want.
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Indeed.

At this stage the only sensible thing to do is give people a choice between Brexit in its crystallised form and Remain.

To argue otherwise is just plain stubbornness now.
 
ToffeeTim said:
Disagree regarding low turnout. People are engaged right now. You are mistaking anger for apathy. People are angry. People vote when they are angry.

I think tories win a handsome majority on a pro brexit manifesto with a brexiteer leader. If they go with another remainer they are done.
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Well why not, the 17.4's desire to see people suffer at the hands of their ignorant angers knows no boundries
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
If only Brexiteers had been in a position to negotiate this deal, say for example, the Brexit Secretary.

Someone like David Davis or Dominic Raab. That would get us the deal we want!
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Brexit secretary has no authority. That's why they've all resigned. Taking the blame over something they've had no say on.

May and her chief advisors have overruled on everything. She is unable to delegate.
 
ToffeeTim said:
The electorate on the leave side were no less educated or informed than the remain side. That argument smacks of nothing other than a mixture of snobbery and sour grapes.
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So we can call the politicians ignorant and dopey, but not the electorate? One would presume the chances of the MPs being informed on the matters surrounding the EU are quite significantly higher than your average voter, even if for no other reason than they have access to so much more information than we do, and it's their full-time job. The average voter has absolutely no clue about the workings of the EU, much less the machinations of trade deals and economics, yet we've got a bunch of keyboard generals who seem to genuinely believe they do, and as Joey never fails to remind us, 17.4 million voted for our current direction, so the politicians are explicitly following the will of the uninformed.

And before the usual victimhood trope gets trotted out, I said electorate, not leave voters. All of the above applies across the board (I know surveys of the electorate show that remain voters have higher education than leave voters in general, but I wouldn't expect a chemist to know any more about the EU than I would a horticulture manager. Salt on the other hand...)
 
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