Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Brisan123]

Where we're you born??

I think its very important to identify where you come from..

I would suggest most people are proud to name the country of their birth..

I honestly can't stand the thought of Europe just being one unidentified state.

Jesus was born in a stable
Doesn’t make him a farm animal
Where you are born is a quirk of fate , nothing more nothing less

 

[tim cahill]

we negotiated the best deal a viable to suit the EU and parliament its a load of rubbish its about the only thing most people agree on.
as a leave voter i just wanted a mutually Benifitial trade deal with them ,nothing else just like the rest of the world does quite a lot without asking for interference in the internal politics of either side as a norm ,not this artificially manufactured cess pit we have been dragged into to pander to a remain heavy parliament .
after 3 years we have Mays half in half out deal, a load of options not having enough support, and the remain side trumpeting the best of the losing vote as the way forward like the referendum losing seems to be the new winning for some in the UK at the moment, a lame duck PM, a useless opposition, the prospect of Boris as PM, sitting in the waiting room to be allowed to leave the EU for years because they are to not up to the job, and the countries future in the hands of the DUP .
Sorry mate if you except that's the best we can get out of are leaders ,well i expect a bit better , can't think of one positive thing the leadership have done in are country in any of this.

This is the best we could expect. That’s why I voted remain. Leavers wanted the impossible, that’s why we’re in this mess.

 

[Brisan123]

I was born in the 3rd safest Tory seat in the country, the town is 99% white. The first non English person came into our school when I was 6th form. I can honestly say I didn't know any people of colour or any first/second generation immigrants until may now mate joined 6th form.

Then I went to university in Oxford (Brookes) and felt years behind, and Oxford was hardly the most diverse place. Not until living on Cowley Road did I really meet people from around the world.

Now I have a gf who is half Portuguese/Angolan and have friends from all over the world.

My parents still live where I was born, whisper the word 'black' but say the word 'coloured'. I've been with my gf for 10 years or so and we feel nervous about my family meeting her family as what they are like around people who are not white and English. They are not racist at all but more I guess xenophobic/patronising without even knowing.

The middle class English bubble is by far the most dangerous bubble in the UK.

Where you were born sounds like Ireland up until 20 years ago
We have had a flood of immigration from Europe /Africa and in the main we have just got on with it
The odd hiccup but in general we’ve embraced it as we for 200 years were the immigrants
Money from America is still a well used phrase in Ireland for money easily come by

 

[Brisan123]

That Donald Tusk is a granite-jawed type like Gareth Barry. We could do with more of his sort here.

After Brexit are we allowed to cherry-pick the best of Europe's top talent?

They won’t get work permits
A bit like Henry lol

 

[edge]

This is the best we could expect. That’s why I voted remain. Leavers wanted the impossible, that’s why we’re in this mess.

It's impossible to be a country free of the EU political interference really?
Seems to be a few hundred counties around the globe get by quite well in this impossible situation.

 

[Harryflashman]

seems all the remainers have got the serious hump tonight in here..

roll on April 12th

Not that anybody knows anything but from everything that seems to be leaking out , from both sides , it does look like a soft Brexit seems to be looking the more likely option. Obviously in an hour that’ll probably change , I’m only mentioning it because if it did happen I think it’s besr you’re forewarned .

 

[Jebus_lives]

Fellas? How's Liam Fox done?

Never fear:

“Post Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods, in exchange for a deal on everything else...
Similar deals would be reached with other key EU nations. France would want to protect £3bn of food and wine exports. Italy, its £1bn fashion exports. Poland its £3bn manufacturing exports."

Oh and:

"Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU … The new trade agreements will come into force at the point of exit, but they will be fully negotiated"

David Davis MP

 

[arminisgod]

So the former bank of England lord king reckons a no deal is the best way forward and no clear evidence that would result in job losses

 

[edge]

But that's a main flaw with the leave vote. You wanted a mutually beneficial trade deal, someone else wanted to end free movement, someone else wanted no deal at all.

Cameron made the calamitous mistake of putting just "leave" on the ballot paper. They should have researched a leave option that actually worked, and couldn't threaten the Good Friday Agreement and then put that one option on the Ballot Paper vs Remain. Then if that leave option had have won, I am sure many remainers would have felt aggrieved at losing the referendum but would not have carried on complaining to anywhere near the extent we have with the way this has played out.

I can say 100% that I would have been able to accept that outcome after initially being on the losing side.

Whether it would have stayed that way in the years after officially leaving I can't say as the deal that was voted for may have made us far worse off. But it would have been a lot easier to take and we'd be leaving today if they had come up with a workable plan on the ballot paper and not a simple idea called "leave".

The were all 100% wanted out of the status quo that's certain.
Do all remain voters think the EU shouldn't be reformed in one way or another, lots of people around Europe and in the UK seem to think so and that a growing fact.
some want even more centralisation a united states of Europe on the other side of the coin.
Do we shoehorn all remain voters into the same box as they want to put leavers ,remainers all want something different ,
they all have different reasons to stay in.
we should leave in as it's impossible to please them all,
as they don't have actually the same common grounds for EU membership/ future direction we should leave?

 

[tim cahill]

It's impossible to be a country free of the EU political interference really?
Seems to be a few hundred counties around the globe get by quite well in this impossible situation.

Are they committed to the good Friday agreement?

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

That has to be seen to be believed lol. Funnily enough, he's one of those Brexiteers that for a while I found frustrating because although he manipulates arguments, he mostly does it quite well and he does come across quite knowledgeable. I've been wanting him to slip up for ages (I know he has a few times before) but this is the icing on the cake.

It starts brilliantly as well:

"The years that followed the 2016 referendum didn’t just reinvigorate our economy, our democracy and our liberty. They improved relations with our neighbours "

And then this:

"During the first 12 months after the vote, Britain confirmed with the various countries that have trade deals with the EU that the same deals would continue. It also used that time to agree much more liberal terms with those states which had run up against EU protectionism, including India, China and Australia."

Hahaha - Australia has spent the last 5 years trying to get a trade deal with India. And he thinks that we can just pull one out of the hat!!!!

 

[Jebus_lives]

Most of the supertrawlers operating in U.K. waters are owned by Europeans. They have negotiated private quota rights with the U.K. govt.

So no. Europeans will not stop eating UK fish - things will not change unless the Govt re-negotiates private quota limits and gives bigger quotas to the small independent fishermen.

Problem is under the current deal that renegotiation of rights won’t be started until 2020. By that time most of the small independent fishermen will have gone under (not literally mind).

The EU didn’t create this problem - the tories did.

The EU will have continued access to UK fishing waters throughout the transition period, Article 130 in the WA, and has demanded reciprocal access afterwards as a condition of any future trade deal.

If we leave without a deal, tarriffs will be around 10-20% on some across fishing exports.

House of Lords - Brexit: fisheries - House of Lords European Union Committee

publications.parliament.uk

Chapter 8 is the relevant section.

 

[zzr45]

The EU will have continued access to UK fishing waters throughout the transition period, Article 130 in the WA, and has demanded reciprocal access afterwards as a condition of any future trade deal.

If we leave without a deal, tarriffs will be around 10-20% on some across fishing exports.

House of Lords - Brexit: fisheries - House of Lords European Union Committee

publications.parliament.uk

Chapter 8 is the relevant section.

PROJECT FEAR! Do one with your researched 'facts'.

The EU will desperate to eat our patrotic British fish, many of whom had ancestors that swam near the beaches on D-Day.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Cos its not a MV. I think

It seems pointless as I don't think it meets the EU requirement of conditions for extension to 22 May.

 

[degsy]

But that's a main flaw with the leave vote. You wanted a mutually beneficial trade deal, someone else wanted to end free movement, someone else wanted no deal at all.

Cameron made the calamitous mistake of putting just "leave" on the ballot paper. They should have researched a leave option that actually worked, and couldn't threaten the Good Friday Agreement and then put that one option on the Ballot Paper vs Remain. Then if that leave option had have won, I am sure many remainers would have felt aggrieved at losing the referendum but would not have carried on complaining to anywhere near the extent we have with the way this has played out.

I can say 100% that I would have been able to accept that outcome after initially being on the losing side.

Whether it would have stayed that way in the years after officially leaving I can't say as the deal that was voted for may have made us far worse off. But it would have been a lot easier to take and we'd be leaving today if they had come up with a workable plan on the ballot paper and not a simple idea called "leave".

The why is Cammo thought remain was the forgone conclusion result