Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Librarian]

Accompanied by large wedge of Miss Lemon I presume?

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(I'm going to put my neck on the line and say that this is the best Poirot/fish anthropomorphism joke anyone has ever made)

And possibly the only one...

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

most of the big UK commercial fishing quota's are actually EU owned companies from when the government put them out to tender a few years a go, so don't think there is much chance of a lack of British fish not going to the continent.( can fish have a nationality?)

Only the blue passport ones, the right type!

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Fellas? How's Liam Fox done?

I heard he has tied up trade deals with the Faroe Islands, Tonga and Fiji.

Don’t worry though, he’s got this

 

[Brisan123]

Are you saying every fish eating European will stop buying our stocks??

Oh my god.

If it suddenly becomes 10-20% dearer they will plus the EU will priortise stocks from member countries over non member countries

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I heard he has tied up trade deals with the Faroe Islands, Tonga and Fiji.

Don’t worry though, he’s got this

Lichtenstein as well I think.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Are you saying every fish eating European will stop buying our stocks??

Oh my god.

Most of the supertrawlers operating in U.K. waters are owned by Europeans. They have negotiated private quota rights with the U.K. govt.

So no. Europeans will not stop eating UK fish - things will not change unless the Govt re-negotiates private quota limits and gives bigger quotas to the small independent fishermen.

Problem is under the current deal that renegotiation of rights won’t be started until 2020. By that time most of the small independent fishermen will have gone under (not literally mind).

The EU didn’t create this problem - the tories did.

 

[TraffordBlue]

I think big sections of the UK are so fed up with the current situation that they don't think things will get much worse than they already are.

Others have drunk the Kool Aid peddled by liars, fraudsters and idiots like Daniel Hannan https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/

Either way both are completely wrong.

That has to be seen to be believed lol. Funnily enough, he's one of those Brexiteers that for a while I found frustrating because although he manipulates arguments, he mostly does it quite well and he does come across quite knowledgeable. I've been wanting him to slip up for ages (I know he has a few times before) but this is the icing on the cake.

It starts brilliantly as well:

"The years that followed the 2016 referendum didn’t just reinvigorate our economy, our democracy and our liberty. They improved relations with our neighbours "

And then this:

"During the first 12 months after the vote, Britain confirmed with the various countries that have trade deals with the EU that the same deals would continue. It also used that time to agree much more liberal terms with those states which had run up against EU protectionism, including India, China and Australia."

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Lichtenstein as well I think.

That’s so that him and his Tory mates can move and keep their money overseas with no tax liabilities.

 

[Brisan123]

i'll happily accept apologies via PM for all the insults thrown my way

I wouldn’t be holding my breath while waiting if I was you Frank lol

 

[orchard]

Most of the supertrawlers operating in U.K. waters are owned by Europeans. They have negotiated private quota rights with the U.K. govt.

So no. Europeans will not stop eating UK fish - things will not change unless the Govt re-negotiates private quota limits and gives bigger quotas to the small independent fishermen.

Problem is under the current deal that renegotiation of rights won’t be started until 2020. By that time most of the small independent fishermen will have gone under (not literally mind).

The EU didn’t create this problem - the tories did.

About time this was stated. Also, i think the tories have stated that they will continue with this, although without discriminating between eu and non-eu.

 

[edge]

The evidence is that having negotiated the best deal they could ever have realistically got that ended free movement (which was important to a lot of people), no one likes it. Least of all the public.

There is no way May’s deal vs remain would’ve won the referendum. It’s the opposite of “taking back control”.

we negotiated the best deal a viable to suit the EU and parliament its a load of rubbish its about the only thing most people agree on.
as a leave voter i just wanted a mutually Benifitial trade deal with them ,nothing else just like the rest of the world does quite a lot without asking for interference in the internal politics of either side as a norm ,not this artificially manufactured cess pit we have been dragged into to pander to a remain heavy parliament .
after 3 years we have Mays half in half out deal, a load of options not having enough support, and the remain side trumpeting the best of the losing vote as the way forward like the referendum losing seems to be the new winning for some in the UK at the moment, a lame duck PM, a useless opposition, the prospect of Boris as PM, sitting in the waiting room to be allowed to leave the EU for years because they are to not up to the job, and the countries future in the hands of the DUP .
Sorry mate if you except that's the best we can get out of are leaders ,well i expect a bit better , can't think of one positive thing the leadership have done in are country in any of this.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

About time this was stated. Also, i think the tories have stated that they will continue with this, although without discriminating between eu and non-eu.

Yup more bad news for small UK coastal water fishermen. Again they were lied to by the leave campaign who promised an end to all this as soon as we left the EU.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Why does Bercow allow MV3 without any substantial change? Melted in pressure

 

[roydo]

Why does Bercow allow MV3 without any substantial change? Melted in pressure

Cos its not a MV. I think

 

[TraffordBlue]

we negotiated the best deal a viable to suit the EU and parliament its a load of rubbish its about the only thing most people agree on.
as a leave voter i just wanted a mutually Benifitial trade deal with them ,nothing else just like the rest of the world does quite a lot without asking for interference in the internal politics of either side as a norm ,not this artificially manufactured cess pit we have been dragged into to pander to a remain heavy parliament .
after 3 years we have Mays half in half out deal, a load of options not having enough support, and the remain side trumpeting the best of the losing vote as the way forward like the referendum losing seems to be the new winning for some in the UK at the moment, a lame duck PM, a useless opposition, the prospect of Boris as PM, sitting in the waiting room to be allowed to leave the EU for years because they are to not up to the job, and the countries future in the hands of the DUP .
Sorry mate if you except that's the best we can get out of are leaders ,well i expect a bit better , can't think of one positive thing the leadership have done in are country in any of this.

But that's a main flaw with the leave vote. You wanted a mutually beneficial trade deal, someone else wanted to end free movement, someone else wanted no deal at all.

Cameron made the calamitous mistake of putting just "leave" on the ballot paper. They should have researched a leave option that actually worked, and couldn't threaten the Good Friday Agreement and then put that one option on the Ballot Paper vs Remain. Then if that leave option had have won, I am sure many remainers would have felt aggrieved at losing the referendum but would not have carried on complaining to anywhere near the extent we have with the way this has played out.

I can say 100% that I would have been able to accept that outcome after initially being on the losing side.

Whether it would have stayed that way in the years after officially leaving I can't say as the deal that was voted for may have made us far worse off. But it would have been a lot easier to take and we'd be leaving today if they had come up with a workable plan on the ballot paper and not a simple idea called "leave".