Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Chris O'Connor]

Boris would never be elected Tory leader, surely?! At a time when the Tories have reached a new low they’re not going to elect a blatant racist that doesn’t think historic child abuse is worth investigating.

I'm talking reality not who you or I might think suitable.

Ask yourself who votes in a Conservative leadership election? - Conservative association members is the answer, 90% of whom seem to back leave or even no deal.

Johnson is favourite for precisely that reason

 

[Joey66]

To be honest with you Barney, I think Mr. B is one of the very few emerging from this fiasco with any credit.

I love the way he pipes down that unruly rabble masquerading as lawmakers and telling May she couldn’t just keep on banging the same drum every couple of weeks was perfectly sensible IMO.

He's a remaining bully Richardhead........ up on charges suppressed by Labour as he shares their remain theory on the EU - hope he gets his knighthood cancelled when packing in his overpaid job living in luxury in the H O P which he redecorated when the last speaker Betty Boothroyd had just had it all done.....

 

[Barnfred 55]

To be honest with you Barney, I think Mr. B is one of the very few emerging from this fiasco with any credit.

I love the way he pipes down that unruly rabble masquerading as lawmakers and telling May she couldn’t just keep on banging the same drum every couple of weeks was perfectly sensible IMO.

I'm not a violent person Khal but I feel an urge to punch his lights out whenever I see him.lol

I think the way he puts people down is actually quite supercilious. Maybe that's what this unruly rabble need to keep them in order, but it's still a characteristic I instinctively dislike in a person. But apart from that he has shown himself not to be impartial at times and I just think that is wrong in such an important role.

 

[orchard]

I am upset at a great deal of our political elite, many of whom lied in their manifesto. I have never hid my contempt for the pygmies that now occupy the HoC.......

The ones who voted for confidence in a PM who had been adjudged in contempt of parliament because they were afraid to go to the Country?
Or the ones that voted against the ammendments that embodied initiatives to consult parliament for a way to achieve brexit?

 

[peteblue]

The ones who voted for confidence in a PM who had been adjudged in contempt of parliament because they were afraid to go to the Country?
Or the ones that voted against the ammendments that embodied initiatives to consult parliament for a way to achieve brexit?

The ones who stood on a manifesto to enact leaving the EU and have deliberately ignored it......

 

[Barnfred 55]

Perhaps it was because of the generalisation to all politicians. The blame lies squarely with May, her cabinet, and those that have supported her.

Because you are right and everybody who disagrees with you is wrong.

That is exactly the problem that we have in Parliament at the moment and the reason nothing is getting done. But you hold the moral higher ground here so your conscience is clear hey? it's other peoples fault.

Nice one.

When this all goes tits up, which it undoubtedly will now whatever the outcome, you'll sit there in your ivory chair and blame everybody else. But it's people like you and others, on both sides of the line, who are unwilling to compromise even an inch that will have brought it about.

 

[orchard]

The ones who stood on a manifesto to enact leaving the EU and have deliberately ignored it......

Tinge then.

 

[Harryflashman]

He's a remaining bully Richardhead........ up on charges suppressed by Labour as he shares their remain theory on the EU - hope he gets his knighthood cancelled when packing in his overpaid job living in luxury in the H O P which he redecorated when the last speaker Betty Boothroyd had just had it all done.....

I thought labour leader corbyn was a leaver ? I heard a number of senior ERG mp’s backing his decision the other day whilst many remainers protested it . The pm is trying to browbeat Parliament and mp’s who’ve twice voted against it were furious they couldn’t vote for it . All I’ve heard from leavers is how sacred sovereignty and parliament is then when rules are applied it’s a disgrace .

I’d probably think I want her deal to pass , only as I think no deal is a potential disaster so I wasn’t best pleased with his decision but how can we complain about somebody applying the law , it the same kind of ranting Gina Miller got .

 

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[orchard]

Because you are right and everybody who disagrees with you is wrong.

That is exactly the problem that we have in Parliament at the moment and the reason nothing is getting done. But you hold the moral higher ground here so your conscience is clear hey? it's other peoples fault.

Nice one.

When this all goes tits up, which it undoubtedly will now whatever the outcome, you'll sit there in your ivory chair and blame everybody else. But it's people like you and others, on both sides of the line, who are unwilling to compromise even an inch that will have brought it about.

Just admit that it was an over generalisation and recognise that i was defending some from blame, rather than casting blame as you accuse. Christ.

 

[Harryflashman]

Because you are right and everybody who disagrees with you is wrong.

That is exactly the problem that we have in Parliament at the moment and the reason nothing is getting done. But you hold the moral higher ground here so your conscience is clear hey? it's other peoples fault.

Nice one.

When this all goes tits up, which it undoubtedly will now whatever the outcome, you'll sit there in your ivory chair and blame everybody else. But it's people like you and others, on both sides of the line, who are unwilling to compromise even an inch that will have brought it about.

Let’s be fair mate the remainers are the ones who said this would happen and were repeatedly told it was project fear . It’s May pandering to the ERG and DUP with leavers as Brexit Secretaries who’ve got us here ,

I think it’s tragic and Really worrying . I don’t want what’s happening but I’m not sure how as a leaver that kept saying the border situation was a problem and that I doubted the EU would fold it’s my fault .

 

[orchard]

Let’s be fair mate the remainers are the ones who said this would happen and were repeatedly told it was project fear . It’s May pandering to the ERG and DUP with leavers as Brexit Secretaries who’ve got us here ,

I think it’s tragic and Really worrying . I don’t want what’s happening but I’m not sure how as a leaver that kept saying the border situation was a problem and that I doubted the EU would fold it’s my fault .

It's amazing how some of those that voted leave alienate those that voted remain, accept the dubious decision, but not an extreme erg interpretation of Brexit...

 

[Barnfred 55]

I think May has either lost the plot completely or she is taking on some very bad advice. All this outburst has done has distanced her from her fellow MPs and make them less likely to vote for her Brexit plan.

Having said that, a huge number of the electorate do feel let down by parliament and her words will strike a chord with them. I just feel that, as PM, it probably wasn't her place to say them. Strikes as desperation. I think we'll see a resignation when her deal get's voted down next week and parliament take over and ask the EU for a longer extension.

Maybe, it could knock some sense into them and make them realise that some genuine compromise is required to sort this mess out. Not.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

To be honest with you Barney, I think Mr. B is one of the very few emerging from this fiasco with any credit.

I love the way he pipes down that unruly rabble masquerading as lawmakers and telling May she couldn’t just keep on banging the same drum every couple of weeks was perfectly sensible IMO.

Bercow was well within his rights to use a 400 years old house rule last used in 1920 to ban the third vote, and indeed it would have been lost/delayed anyway, but he hasn't particularly distinguished himself as a fair minded arbiter at anytime during his whole tenure as speaker, not just this week.

Betty Boothroyd was the last excellent speaker, well respected by both sides she ruled even handedly and fairly.

You can usually tell a poor or a politicised one, as they tend to be well supported by one side of the house and generally loathed by the other.

John Bercow is a marmite figure, full of his own position's grandeur and importance, controversy has always been his friend and inconsistent application of precedent his prerogative. He's never happier than when facing an angry group of MPs. and despite originally being a Tory is now deeply loathed by them.

There are serious bullying charges which are being suppressed for now as members calculate keeping such an arch opponent of brexit in position outweighs bringing him to book for such seemingly outrageous behaviour, although any 'retirement' to the House of Lords now looks out of the question.

A good speaker is rather like a good referee, applying the rule of law without fuss or favour, and a bad speaker, rather like a bad referee, one that usually makes the news all about himself.

John Bercow usually makes the news all about himself if given the opportunity, a supercilious, self-serving and self promoting character, i'm afraid he falls into the latter category.

 

[Khalekan]

I'm not a violent person Khal but I feel an urge to punch his lights out whenever I see him.lol

I think the way he puts people down is actually quite supercilious. Maybe that's what this unruly rabble need to keep them in order, but it's still a characteristic I instinctively dislike in a person. But apart from that he has shown himself not to be impartial at times and I just think that is wrong in such an important role.

lol

Oh he is just the type of fellow that shower need to keep them in check, Barney