Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Khalekan]

Berscow will change his mind if it suits him.

One of the things that has come out of this mess imo is that the role of the speaker needs reviewing. It has too many powers that are open to abuse if the holder of the position is not completely impartial. Call me a cynic but I'm not sure "that person" exists in politics anymore.

To be honest with you Barney, I think Mr. B is one of the very few emerging from this fiasco with any credit.

I love the way he pipes down that unruly rabble masquerading as lawmakers and telling May she couldn’t just keep on banging the same drum every couple of weeks was perfectly sensible IMO.

 

[Ruairi77]

Now who is being naive.......

you Peter, still you.
You voted for a conservative government to deliver a brexit you also voted for.
You thought it was a good idea to send a tory leader to negotiate with the EU.
You weren't happy with the results of the decisions you made and now you're pushing for a no deal Brexit.
You are being naive.

 

[peteblue]

Fixed for you. The leave proponents...leave at all costs,sort out the details later, genuinely expected to roll over the EU and get them to agree to anything. Now, when the EU fight their corner, THEY are unreasonable, intransigent etc. You couldn't make it up. Except they did.

And that’s fair enough. But when we leave we still remain their largest foreign market. What then. Merely pointing at each other doesn’t make anything actually work.......

 

[Ruairi77]

And that’s fair enough. But when we leave we still remain their largest foreign market. What then. Merely pointing at each other doesn’t make anything actually work.......

ok, then stop pointing the finger at the EU and start pointing it at the Tory/DUP carcrash government who continually put self interest first to your detriment.

 

[Alan Whittle]

And that’s fair enough. But when we leave we still remain their largest foreign market. What then. Merely pointing at each other doesn’t make anything actually work.......

Remaining their largest foreign market doesn't mean anything unless you agree the terms by which the market will operate.
Prices? Means of exchange? Tarrifs? Operation at customs?
This is where David Davis comes in.....oh no, he's forgotten his notes again!

 

[Tubey]

I think this is the best take on the situation so far.

Gibraltar chief Fabian Picardo: Revoke Article 50 to 'take back control'

The head of the British overseas territory adds to calls for the UK to rescind its stated intention to leave the EU.

news.sky.com

 

[Barnfred 55]

I despair of this all.

As a remainer, I accepted the will of the people in the referendum. I expected far more than this from our frankly useless politicians. They are conspiring through brinkmanship to push the UK and the EU into a path that at least one (and most likely both) don't want to take.

Just venting. I am sure I am not the only one wondering what the hell will happen, and sick to the back teeth of the performance of our "beloved leaders".

That's a brilliant post mate. The fact that it has been out there for 2 hours now and received zero likes (until mine) speaks volumes to me.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce, we have had 3 Brexit Secretaries, because May, her Remainer cabinet and her Remainer civil servants haven’t even let them do their job. May has dabbled, our Chancellor has held back funding, Corbyn and Co together with Blair and a whole raft of Remainers have been to Brussels and stiffened the EU approach, in the belief that the vote could be changed. It has been a complete shambles.......

You think we'd have been fine if Davis, Fox and Johnson had just been left to get on with it?

 

[orchard]

That's a brilliant post mate. The fact that it has been out there for 2 hours now and received zero likes (until mine) speaks volumes to me.

Perhaps it was because of the generalisation to all politicians. The blame lies squarely with May, her cabinet, and those that have supported her.

 

[peteblue]

you Peter, still you.
You voted for a conservative government to deliver a brexit you also voted for.
You thought it was a good idea to send a tory leader to negotiate with the EU.
You weren't happy with the results of the decisions you made and now you're pushing for a no deal Brexit.
You are being naive.

I thought it was a good idea to send a professional negotiator to negotiate with the Eu, and I still do.

I am not happy with the way everyone including the PM, her cabinet, the civil service, the Opposition parties, the Remainers who refuse to accept the result have behaved. But as Remainers like to point out regarding the Leave vote, where on the last set of political manifesto’s did it say that Tory Remainers would fight a rearguard action, or that Labour would oppose everything and help the Eu, or that our political elite would do their damned best to ignore the Leave vote and completely ignore their own manifesto pledges.

I voted to leave, I voted conservative to deliver it. I still believe in Leaving. I have nothing but contempt for the whole of the HoC.......

 

[peteblue]

You think we'd have been fine if Davis, Fox and Johnson had just been left to get on with it? lol

I didn’t say that did I.....

 

[Armel]

I notice also that Ireland, France and Belgium have disappeared from the top 15. So what was the gist of this again......

Probably easy in Belgium's case. They takes into account a climate index that takes into account a climate plan. It's actually quite funny: we don't have one. They can't agree, hence the school climate protests. Problem is the sceptics, mostly because they say we're a small country what can we do (can't agree). A bit the same in the Netherlands; resistance to their climate plan led to FvD winning quite a few votes (VVD, changed a bit too much to the pro-climate change side of the debate and they ended up feeling the results), and the Utrecht incident probably also helped. Saying that how you can vote for Baudet is beyond me. He's like a Dutch Rees-Mogg, that posts pictures like this:

I suppose 22 March terrorist attacks didn't really help either...; probably the same for France and a number of other countries.

Saying that I don't know enough about all the figures involved. Like the health care index; is it an American health care index, that gives an overall view (of affordability etc...) or a European (focuses more on health care outcomes). I prefer to see an individual one in detail. Preferably regionalized; like for Belgium it would be a whole lot different if you differentiate between regions; something that The Guardian has finally realized when they know start to differentiate between the wealthy Belgian region of Flanders and Wallonia etc (If they do something right they deserve good criticism, I have slated them in here before).

 

[orchard]

I thought it was a good idea to send a professional negotiator to negotiate with the Eu, and I still do.

I am not happy with the way everyone including the PM, her cabinet, the civil service, the Opposition parties, the Remainers who refuse to accept the result have behaved. But as Remainers like to point out regarding the Leave vote, where on the last set of political manifesto’s did it say that Tory Remainers would fight a rearguard action, or that Labour would oppose everything and help the Eu, or that our political elite would do their damned best to ignore the Leave vote and completely ignore their own manifesto pledges.

I voted to leave, I voted conservative to deliver it. I still believe in Leaving. I have nothing but contempt for the whole of the HoC.......

Wahey, blame bingo full-house if you mention Corbyn's hat, or Stalin. So close...

 

[peteblue]

Wahey, blame bingo full-house if you mention Corbyn's hat, or Stalin. So close...

I am upset at a great deal of our political elite, many of whom lied in their manifesto. I have never hid my contempt for the pygmies that now occupy the HoC.......

 

[peteblue]

I see that Corbyn has gone to Brussels to meet with Barnier. Exactly what does this idiot think he is doing. A man who says he wants to build a consensus yet initially refused to talk with May and now refuses to be in the same room as Chuka Umunna......