Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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abelard said:
it's not just one lonely anecdote though is it?

there have been literally thousands of articles and reports about teachers forced to do the cleaning, paying out of pocket for basic school supplies, quitting by the thousands every year, after-school programmes gutted, languages cancelled, facilities closed, special needs initiatives scrapped, children turning up unwashed and malnourished...

i'd post links, but you're clearly sick of those sorts of experts.

refusing to take this seriously, failing to see anything other that what your ideology insists must be true, stems from the precisely the same arrogance, complacency, and delusion about Britain's past and future position in the world that brought about Brexit.

disinvesting from education is suicidal.

if we continue doing everything in power to reduce the percentage of our relatively small population which can reasonably succeed, then we will continue to have our lunch eaten by those countries which actually take their own futures seriously.

well it's certainly a shame that he didn't live long enough to hear you helpfully tut-tutting about how he should have just put a condom on it
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That last comment is beneath you. As for the rest, I haven't once argued that as a country we shouldn't be investing in education. What I'm arguing against is you posting links to stories that typically revolve around one or two stories of people in hardship and then using those stories to suggest wholescale changes to society.

My other half was off work with stress before Christmas, and because she didn't fill all the paperwork in on time, the (wonderful holy cannot do wrong) NHS have docked her £700. Not a dissimilar situation to that original story you posted, but because she's saved some money up and has made life choices that aren't going to make us destitute if anything remotely similar to that sort of thing happens, we don't get to appear in the Guardian as symbols of broken Britain.

I'm sure in your socialist wonderland there will be a system that accounts for all of the bad choices humans can make by virtue of them being, well, human.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
Not forgetting the other significant portion of those that voted for Remain.

The point being that:

No one consensus exists around leave does it. Nobody from Leave.EU was suggesting leave with no deal, it was 'we'll get a great deal' 'we hold all the cards' 'easiest deal in history'.

Is there is a consensus among leave voters for one particular route out? Because 'Leave' doesn't really encapsulate the full range of reasons why people wanted out. No deal for leavers, like remain, seems to satisfy nobody.
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I would disagree. To begin with I expected the EU to be sensible and create a deal that worked to the benefit of both parties. That hasn’t happened. I still want to leave on 29th March. If it is no deal then fair enough......
 
peteblue said:
I would disagree. To begin with I expected the EU to be sensible and create a deal that worked to the benefit of both parties. That hasn’t happened. I still want to leave on 29th March. If it is no deal then fair enough......
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Its not the EU's fault our parliament is tearing itself apart because they, as the ones who are dedicated to doing what's best for the country, have the task of trying to engineer something out of this which leaves the country in a better position than it was before, which simply isn't possible.
But sure, blame the EU. That's what leavers have done with everything so far, why stop now?
 
peteblue said:
I would disagree. To begin with I expected the EU to be sensible and create a deal that worked to the benefit of both parties. That hasn’t happened. I still want to leave on 29th March. If it is no deal then fair enough......
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Why? They don't want us to leave, why should they?We want to leave, so it's up to us. Davis, Boris, Farage all told us how easy it would be! Still waiting.
 
Harryflashman said:
The same people who told us it would be easy are the same people telling us how we’ve nothing to fear from a no deal Brexit , no klaxons going off there then .
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Well, to be fair, they may be right. We don't actually know. We just have to decide whether they've earned our trust.....
 
Zezti said:
Its not the EU's fault our parliament is tearing itself apart because they, as the ones who are dedicated to doing what's best for the country, have the task of trying to engineer something out of this which leaves the country in a better position than it was before, which simply isn't possible.
But sure, blame the EU. That's what leavers have done with everything so far, why stop now?
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The reason that our parliament is tearing itself apart is because the deal offered by the EU is unacceptable to both Remainers and Leavers. This didn’t have to be so, but the EU decided not to be sensible. I’m not even blaming the EU really, as I have no problem with a no deal result if that is what we have to deal with.....
 
Alan Whittle said:
Why? They don't want us to leave, why should they?We want to leave, so it's up to us. Davis, Boris, Farage all told us how easy it would be! Still waiting.
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Correct. They don’t want us to leave. They have not respected our vote, they are just trying to get us to change our minds, hence the deal they have given May. But even our crap politicians can see it’s a deal not worth having......
 
peteblue said:
The reason that our parliament is tearing itself apart is because the deal offered by the EU is unacceptable to both Remainers and Leavers. This didn’t have to be so, but the EU decided not to be sensible. I’m not even blaming the EU really, as I have no problem with a no deal result if that is what we have to deal with.....
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The deal was requested and negotiated by the UK government. The EU protected its' own red lines, which they had to do, because the freedoms are enshrined - as you were told repeatedly before all this began and dismissed. You said the Germans would bend over backwards to protect trade and we had all the leverage.

Everything you say is nonsense mate, pure nonsense and has been proven as thus.

If you're looking for people to blame, blame May for her incompetence and people like yourself for having no understanding of what the situation was and is.
 
peteblue said:
Correct. They don’t want us to leave. They have not respected our vote, they are just trying to get us to change our minds, hence the deal they have given May. But even our crap politicians can see it’s a deal not worth having......
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So what about the easy deal we were promised by Leave proponents? Where is it? If it's so easy why can't we do it now? Surely it's not now called "No Deal"?
 
orchard said:
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Bruce Wayne said:
No idea how that works, but it looks as though UK numbers have either improved or stayed static, but that other countries have improved more?
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I notice also that Ireland, France and Belgium have disappeared from the top 15. So what was the gist of this again......
 
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