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[orchard]

That conjured up an image of her on one of those games you have to tap a light when it flashes to check your reaction time!!!! Getting more and more impossible as the lights flash on at an ever increasing rate and her muttering Brexit means Brexit!!!!!

Tbf, she's been like that for over two years attempting to prevent any scrutiny over what she wants to do with the brexit vote mandate

 

[orchard]

Back up now, apparently May's been ejected by security.

 

[abelard]

Now now, there are plenty of teachers that can quite happily support a family. You happen to have chosen a single example of a teacher who was both the sole breadwinner in her family, and as the female, the one most likely (by statistics) to compromise her career for parenting duties. I could easily share similar anecdotes of teachers who live a very comfortable life, have 2.4 children, their own house and all that, but what's the point? Using solitary examples to extrapolate national trends is only good when it makes your point, not anyone elses.

it's not just one lonely anecdote though is it?

there have been literally thousands of articles and reports about teachers forced to do the cleaning, paying out of pocket for basic school supplies, quitting by the thousands every year, after-school programmes gutted, languages cancelled, facilities closed, special needs initiatives scrapped, children turning up unwashed and malnourished...

i'd post links, but you're clearly sick of those sorts of experts.

refusing to take this seriously, failing to see anything other that what your ideology insists must be true, stems from the precisely the same arrogance, complacency, and delusion about Britain's past and future position in the world that brought about Brexit.

disinvesting from education is suicidal.

if we continue doing everything in power to reduce the percentage of our relatively small population which can reasonably succeed, then we will continue to have our lunch eaten by those countries which actually take their own futures seriously.

If only there was a political institution that put money into deprived areas, helped to keep prices consumers paid for products low and increased opportunities for British businesses to grow.

lol as if I'm a Brexiter!

it is interesting to see someone citing all of these things as attributes of the EU, while voting for a domestic party that has done the exact opposite in every instance.

Regarding the jibe about my in-laws, it raises the point doesn't it? My father-in-law hated the communists, openly opposed them, and was punished for it. He got depressed, became an alcoholic and ended up killing himself. So yeah, good on him for sticking to his principles, but his principles left his family without a pot to pee in and going genuinely hungry, not relatively hungry next to Tarquin with his Porsche. By all means have dreams and aspirations for a different life, but you have to maintain contact with the reality of life as it is.

well it's certainly a shame that he didn't live long enough to hear you helpfully tut-tutting about how he should have just put a condom on it

 

[Walken]

I suppose because when even teachers can no longer manage to sustain the bare minimum of a nuclear family, it represents a substantial, undeniable collapse in the standard of living in real terms?

Your response seems to be simultaneously A) it isn't true (she must be lying about something!) and B) even it was, it was delivered by The Free Market and is therefore The Best of All Possible Worlds

And you seem genuinely baffled why we aren't all responding like the horse in Animal Farm

You are not far off a communist functionary, but for liberalism - "This is a grown up world we're living in here isn't it?" is probably literally something your in-laws were told when they complained that the shops didn't carry blue jeans.

You love breaking other people's eggs, and every year move further from the omelette.

Anyhow, this is like debating Joey66, only with grammar.

It no longer sparks joy.

The poor horse in animal farm was exactly who i thought of when reading his post

 

[kenada_blue]

What I do find amusing is that May has withstood 3 leadership battles...Being made PM, a general election, then a vote of no confidence.

It's only NOW that people really, really, want her out lol

 

[Kenshin]

Got to love the petition being signed by people asking for article 50 to be revoked being signed by hundreds of thousands now.

Missing the point that more people want us to leave according to the referendum so their wishes now still DON'T MATTER.

They lost the vote. No matter how many petitions they sign, they still lost. It needs to happen and without a deal by the looks of things.

 

[Jebus_lives]

What I do find amusing is that May has withstood 3 leadership battles...Being made PM, a general election, then a vote of no confidence.

It's only NOW that people really, really, want her out lol

Despised as Home Secretary too.

 

[orchard]

Got to love the petition being signed by people asking for article 50 to be revoked being signed by hundreds of thousands now.

Missing the point that more people want us to leave according to the referendum so their wishes now still DON'T MATTER.

They lost the vote. No matter how many petitions they sign, they still lost. It needs to happen and without a deal by the looks of things.

Half the Nation don't matter because of one vote nearly three years ago mate?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Got to love the petition being signed by people asking for article 50 to be revoked being signed by hundreds of thousands now.

Missing the point that more people want us to leave according to the referendum so their wishes now still DON'T MATTER.

They lost the vote. No matter how many petitions they sign, they still lost. It needs to happen and without a deal by the looks of things.

Not forgetting the other significant portion of those that voted for Remain.

The point being that:

No one consensus exists around leave does it. Nobody from Leave.EU was suggesting leave with no deal, it was 'we'll get a great deal' 'we hold all the cards' 'easiest deal in history'.

Is there is a consensus among leave voters for one particular route out? Because 'Leave' doesn't really encapsulate the full range of reasons why people wanted out. No deal for leavers, like remain, seems to satisfy nobody.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

When you think about it, May's speech was pretty despotic. Trying to pin parliament as an enemy of the people whilst at the same time look into my eyes, not around the eyes, into my eyes telling me what I think about Brexit. So that's parliament added to academics, High Court judges, the Lords and business, all of whom are 'enemies of the people'. The woman is an utter psycho.

spot on.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

The European Union is poised to take control of Britain’s exit by rejecting Theresa May’s request for a three-month delay and setting a new withdrawal date of no later than 22 May.

The prime minister is seeking an extension of the negotiating period to 30 June to allow the necessary legislation to be passed should she finally get MPs to back her deal next week.

But EU ambassadors at a meeting late on Wednesday night agreed that the risks of having the UK as a member state beyond 23 May, when European elections are due, were too high.

Sources said that during the discussions some member states favoured a longer period and some a shorter one, but that the room coalesced around 22 May as the absolute limit.

The heads of state and government will hold a discussion on Thursday afternoon after being addressed by May, and will have to agree unanimously on the extension on the date to be written into its summit communique.

“The 22nd of May has to be the limit,” one senior diplomat said. “The reason is that there has got to be a very clear message from the European council. Yes to a short extension on condition that the prime minister passes her deal through the Commons. But beyond that it is utterly complicated. It cannot be done without British MEPs having been elected.”

 

[The binman chronicles]

Got to love the petition being signed by people asking for article 50 to be revoked being signed by hundreds of thousands now.

Missing the point that more people want us to leave according to the referendum so their wishes now still DON'T MATTER.

They lost the vote. No matter how many petitions they sign, they still lost. It needs to happen and without a deal by the looks of things.

Depends or not if this petition gets to 17 odd million

 

[sbbefc]

Not forgetting the other significant portion of those that voted for Remain.

The point being that:

No one consensus exists around leave does it. Nobody from Leave.EU was suggesting leave with no deal, it was 'we'll get a great deal' 'we hold all the cards' 'easiest deal in history'.

Is there is a consensus among leave voters for one particular route out? Because 'Leave' doesn't really encapsulate the full range of reasons why people wanted out. No deal for leavers, like remain, seems to satisfy nobody.

And the lie that's been pedalled by leavers now is that all 17milion people voted for 'no deal' .

The whole thing descended into a farce long time ago.

 

[Yarrgh]

I despair of this all.

As a remainer, I accepted the will of the people in the referendum. I expected far more than this from our frankly useless politicians. They are conspiring through brinkmanship to push the UK and the EU into a path that at least one (and most likely both) don't want to take.

Just venting. I am sure I am not the only one wondering what the hell will happen, and sick to the back teeth of the performance of our "beloved leaders".

 

[tim cahill]

Back up now, apparently May's been ejected by security.

Eh? Ejected from where?