Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Jebus_lives]

At the moment, the Remainers in the cabinet have given up all pretence of collective responsibility. Like Boris and co, they should have resigned. The Leavers will now back May when she brings the deal back for a third time. We will leave on 29th March. If May then sacks her treacherous Remainers she might just cling onto the job. If she lets them get away with it then she has no power and will face an immediate leadership challenge.

She will be able to declare that she has delivered Brexit and now it’s time for someone else to run the next lap.....

Andrew Bridgen reckons there's 500 remain MPs in parliament. That's going to be tough to push through.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

If we had another referendum I would ban all media coverage of it until after the vote.

Seems like a good plan. A lack of education and knowledge on the issue worked well the first time.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Oh absolutely. Me neither.

But I don't think he has to answer for it.

Was never a fan of his, but as a leader of a party he puts all of the current crop under the table as he could at least dictate what he wanted to do.

Without wanting to sound flippant, the biggest gamble he took was thinking he could dictate what he wanted to do and it backfired.

He assumed that the working class, he had completely ignored and disrespected throughout his time as PM, would come to heel.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

The reason they won't agree to a time limit is that a permanent backstop suits the EU perfectly because it makes UK completely uncompetitive, and maintains their income.

To suggest they went out of their way when they refused to even reopen the text is a bit baffling. You don't seriously believe that?

The UK has said no tariffs with ROI if a no deal. Would the EU reciprocate? Never in a million years...

Nonsense. The reason they won't agree to a time limit is to protect the GFA, North-South co-operation, and the all-island economy.

The backstop is there to protect the interests of a remaining nation and to ensure that the UK keeps to its international obligations under the GFA.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with trying to "make the UK uncompetitive and maintain their income." It is deluded paranoia to suggest that it has.

 

[arminisgod]

That sums everything up to me.

All this political posturing in the Commons is doing absolutely nothing to resolve the problem of Brexit. In fact it is making it worse, possibly much worse. All they have realistically achieved by tabling that amendment is to embarrass the Tory party and humiliate May in particular. It carries no legal weight whatsoever, and we already knew how parliament felt about no deal because they carried a similar motion less than a month ago. The legal position, as the above tweet confirms, is that the only way to leave the EU is either with a deal or without a deal. Ruling out no deal is not the same as agreeing a deal.

Which leads me on to the most important matter, which again the utter morons that inhabit parliament are failing to see. In 16 days we are due to leave the EU. If no deal has been agreed by then we will leave with no deal, regardless of tonight's meaningless vote. The only way to avoid this, apart from revoking article 50, is to get the EU to agree to an extension. Easy you may think. Not really no. It only takes 1 of the 27 member countries to say no and that's it, no extension. And I've already heard of reports that as many as 4 countries, France, Spain, Italy and Poland, are seriously considering throwing a spanner in the works. Plus the impending MEP elections causes further complications; they've already reallocated half of the UK MEP seats to other nations as they plan for the future without us. But most importantly you have the relationship between May and her European counterparts. Be in no doubt that the EU fully support the deal that is currently on the table and see that as the only way forward at the moment. How do you think they felt seeing the political one-upmanship being played out in parliament this evening. What they want and expect to see at this 11th hour is MPs coming together to find a solution. What they are getting is the exact opposite, nobody willing to compromise and consistently trying to get one over the opposition. Why on earth should they agree a deadline when absolutely nobody is showing any inclination that they can work together towards a solution. What's the point?

The ironic thing about tonight's shambles is that their actions may actually bring much closer the one thing they were trying to avoid. A no deal Brexit. Personally, I don't think I've ever been further removed from politics as I am right now and watching that lot on TV tonight I actually felt embarrassed to be British.

Nailed it. I'm 100% certain mogg has done that deal with an EU state already

 

[ToffeeTim]

Nonsense. The reason they won't agree to a time limit is to protect the GFA, North-South co-operation, and the all-island economy.

The backstop is there to protect the interests of a remaining nation and to ensure that the UK keeps to its international obligations under the GFA.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with trying to "make the UK uncompetitive and maintain their income." It is deluded paranoia to suggest that it has.

Creating economic/constitutional divergences between mainland Britain and NI clearly breaches the most fundamental clause of the GFA, which is that NI remains part of the UK until there is a referendum vote to the contrary.

 

[arminisgod]

At the moment, the Remainers in the cabinet have given up all pretence of collective responsibility. Like Boris and co, they should have resigned. The Leavers will now back May when she brings the deal back for a third time. We will leave on 29th March. If May then sacks her treacherous Remainers she might just cling onto the job. If she lets them get away with it then she has no power and will face an immediate leadership challenge.

She will be able to declare that she has delivered Brexit and now it’s time for someone else to run the next lap.....

Hard brexiteers will not support Mays deal ever. She hasn't w chance of getting it through

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Creating economic/constitutional divergences between mainland Britain and NI clearly breaches the most fundamental clause of the GFA, which is that NI remains part of the UK until there is a referendum vote to the contrary. That doesn't seem to be an issue though....

It doesn't breach anything of the sort. There is nothing in the GFA which states that there cannot be economic divergence between NI and Britain. Instead it protects the rights of Irish citizens in NI to remain as EU citizens as provided for in the Agreement.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

At the moment, the Remainers in the cabinet have given up all pretence of collective responsibility. Like Boris and co, they should have resigned. The Leavers will now back May when she brings the deal back for a third time. We will leave on 29th March. If May then sacks her treacherous Remainers she might just cling onto the job. If she lets them get away with it then she has no power and will face an immediate leadership challenge.

She will be able to declare that she has delivered Brexit and now it’s time for someone else to run the next lap.....

So you're happy with the same question being asked three times Pete? That's interesting.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Imagine a (7 time) unelected MP (who once got less votes than a man dressed as a dolphin) going to the EU and asking a room of foreign politicians to frustrate the will of British parliament. How does that square with your sovereignty @peteblue @Joey66 @Barnfred 55 @Old Blue 2

 

[Frang]

So you're happy with the same question being asked three times Pete? That's interesting.

did theresa may actually vote for no deal lastnight ??

 

[arminisgod]

did theresa may actually vote for no deal lastnight ??

Yes. Not that it matters as the vote was a waste of time

 

[ToffeeDan]

Chuckle Brothers' Brexit

To May, To EU, To May, To EU

 

[Aqui1a]

Imagine a (7 time) unelected MP (who once got less votes than a man dressed as a dolphin) going to the EU and asking a room of foreign politicians to frustrate the will of British parliament. How does that square with your sovereignty @peteblue @Joey66 @Barnfred 55 @Old Blue 2

against the will of the british parliament, but with the will of the british people.

and i don't understand how this goes against the country's sovereignty?

 

[ToffeeTim]

It doesn't breach anything of the sort. There is nothing in the GFA which states that there cannot be economic divergence between NI and Britain. Instead it protects the rights of Irish citizens in NI to remain as EU citizens as provided for in the Agreement.

It talks about the principle of consent. You can't change the constitutional position without a referendum. This potentially would.

I'm not sure how the backstop is needed for someone in the UK to continue their right to irish citizenship or irish passports etc. Those rights are clearly not under threat.