Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Wrong thread for Climate change....
Plus out won factually true on the correct thread .....
You lost get over it........
Well I might be off topic, but you've literally just come into a conversation about climate change and said '17.4m' and 'you lost get over it'.

If that doesn't demonstrate the level of debating prowess on the leave side I don't know what will.
 
Jeez, nearly every song I'm listening to on headphones tonight has some bleedin' relevance!

'Take it to the limit' by the Eagles.

Now 'Going down slow' by Free.

Must listen to something more uplifting befitting this leaver...

;) :D

(As an aside, listen to both of them - cracking numbers!)
 
It works both ways. If a deal is done then the Japanese market will open for Range Rover and Jaguar......,and there’s nearly twice as many Japanese as British drivers.....

Or, more likely, the new plant that Tata is building in China to take over Jaguar/Land Rover production and cut production costs will supply vehicles to Asia and result in reduced production in the UK. Especially if the proposed free-trade agreement between China, Japan and SK goes ahead (likely to be in place before the UK manages any major free-trade deals).

The UK car industry serves at the pleasure of its foreign owners.
 
Between 7.7% and 10% extra is the duty I have to expect my European Customers to pay in order to import our products from the UK after March 29th.

This on top of the obvious additional haulage cost and fluctuations in x-rates, so why would they bother? It's not like our products aren't all available in some form or another across the European Union.

Of course, we will already have had to pay this additional duty on 75% of the ingredients we use which are purchased from the EU. We have had to just to compete in our own domestic market.

I have just been to Germany at a Speciality Food Tradeshow where I was a so saddened to see the UK Pavilion stands bereft of any meaniful interest whatsoever. UK producers spending £1000s just being there, proudly representing their own brands, while passers-by shrug and disregard "Brand Britain".

If we don't get a deal in 5 weeks time... be ready to see your food prices rocket and our ability to export food collapse.

So very sad and disappointing for all us small producers across the UK working hard to deliver quality foods here in the UK and into Europe.

The reality on the ground is that European buyers just see British manufacturers as too risky at the moment.
 
Between 7.7% and 10% extra is the duty I have to expect my European Customers to pay in order to import our products from the UK after March 29th.

This on top of the obvious additional haulage cost and fluctuations in x-rates, so why would they bother? It's not like our products aren't all available in some form or another across the European Union.

Of course, we will already have had to pay this additional duty on 75% of the ingredients we use which are purchased from the EU. We have had to just to compete in our own domestic market.

I have just been to Germany at a Speciality Food Tradeshow where I was a so saddened to see the UK Pavilion stands bereft of any meaniful interest whatsoever. UK producers spending £1000s just being there, proudly representing their own brands, while passers-by shrug and disregard "Brand Britain".

If we don't get a deal in 5 weeks time... be ready to see your food prices rocket and our ability to export food collapse.

So very sad and disappointing for all us small producers across the UK working hard to deliver quality foods here in the UK and into Europe.

The reality on the ground is that European buyers just see British manufacturers as too risky at the moment.

Whether warranted or not, Britain has always had a reputation for stoic competence on the continent, but that has been utterly shattered by this, and it's not only the evident incompetence and duplicity of our political leaders, but the public as well. There was a bloke from the flower trade on the John Oliver show explaining how delays at customs would decimate a business that had been going for 30+ years, and yet he voted to leave, seemingly oblivious to this as a consequence. Len McCluskey was bemoaning the loss of jobs at Honda yesterday, despite his union backing Brexit. It's a level of stupidity and national self-harm on a never before seen scale.
 
Whether warranted or not, Britain has always had a reputation for stoic competence on the continent, but that has been utterly shattered by this, and it's not only the evident incompetence and duplicity of our political leaders, but the public as well. There was a bloke from the flower trade on the John Oliver show explaining how delays at customs would decimate a business that had been going for 30+ years, and yet he voted to leave, seemingly oblivious to this as a consequence. Len McCluskey was bemoaning the loss of jobs at Honda yesterday, despite his union backing Brexit. It's a level of stupidity and national self-harm on a never before seen scale.


The Union also back Corbyns letter to the EU which may have overted such happenings, but leave won't compromise and remain won't compromise. Only Corbyn and EU are open to compromise. And the latter sits in opposition!
 
As i said mate I didn't know the in's and outs of the spat going on.
The French did not supply Exocets to the argies while the conflict was on.
you could however say, as one of the technicians who was later outed an agent of the DGSE ( the french MI6) who was acting an agent on behalf of the french, did help the other side by fixing those faulty missiles enabling them to be used, after the embargo was supposed to be on.
I don't know what has been said, but from what i have read it looks like the french government did at the top level indeed stop selling the missiles in good faith, but some other agency bent the rules, it's a murky world arms so god knows what the really truth is, wouldn't even pretend to have the answer with any real conviction either way.
There is stuff knocking about that the USA were playing games on both sides online as well.
Thanks Edge. You yourself have answered the question twice in your response. I wouldn't dispute that there is a murky story in the background with people acting as mercenaries etc, but @peteblue said that the French were supplying Exocets to Argentina during that conflict. That was wrong, I challenged him on it and he went on one. He has his reasons I suppose, but the facts appear to be incontrovertible.

Again, apologies for 'hijacking' the thread. That was never my intention. @peteblue has also apologised on my behalf. Enough said.
 
Best ignore him Emlyn. Comes on here pissed as a fart throwing out insults and calling people who disagree with him bigots while at the same time pleading for "adult behaviour".

You can only point your finger and laugh.
Cheers Mark. It's hard when trolls throw in random 'facts' and then act all offended when you call BS on them. Regarding your advice, I'll have to find a Nelson Muntz emoji. Thing is, I've only just found the thumbs up one!
 
@Emlynsqueakyvoice

Just caught up on your @peteblue discussion/argument about the French and Exocets. In the interests of clarity I pulled him on the comment just after he’d made it and pointed out what you have and what @edge has, although edge certainly supplied more detail . Pete then did accept the point made . I know you’re probably well aware already but just thought it fair to point it out .
 
@Emlynsqueakyvoice

Just caught up on your @peteblue discussion/argument about the French and Exocets. In the interests of clarity I pulled him on the comment just after he’d made it and pointed out what you have and what @edge has, although edge certainly supplied more detail . Pete then did accept the point made . I know you’re probably well aware already but just thought it fair to point it out .
@Harryflashman, no problem mate. I didn't see your conversation with him, which is why I asked him a direct question. All I asked for was a direct answer. He then felt the need to carry on how he did. If he'd even have told me where his previous answer was to be found I would have accepted that, but to tell me to read the previous pages wasn't an acceptable answer as it could have been a needle in a haystack. Anyway, we have established the facts now and we can all now argue about everything else!
 
Whether warranted or not, Britain has always had a reputation for stoic competence on the continent, but that has been utterly shattered by this, and it's not only the evident incompetence and duplicity of our political leaders, but the public as well. There was a bloke from the flower trade on the John Oliver show explaining how delays at customs would decimate a business that had been going for 30+ years, and yet he voted to leave, seemingly oblivious to this as a consequence. Len McCluskey was bemoaning the loss of jobs at Honda yesterday, despite his union backing Brexit. It's a level of stupidity and national self-harm on a never before seen scale.

Yeah, I wanted to strangle that flower shop guy, yet at the same time it's evidence of what we knew about leave voters. That 1) many did not know what they were voting for (same as remain voters) and that 2) not everyone who voted remain wants a hard brexit.
 
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