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Bruce Wayne said:
It's also quite a leap from what he said in September Pete



I'm sure you know only too well how long the planning cycle will be for such a huge issue as closing/moving a factory, so it seems a bit odd that Howells would be gunho for Swindon in September, yet market forces conspire to need to move in February. Doesn't really sit right, does it?
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Yes but this is about the EU-Japan trade deal, which, of course has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.
 
The problem is we do not make cars we assemble them, and since the diesel scandal of the omissions last year were the Nissan Director was jailed, and other big car manufacturers fined heavily etc - the noises from the mayor of London, and other big cities all saying and taking action on diesel cars of a certain age in the future and old diesel cars will be banned - there has been a progressive slump in car sales over a long period - so Brexit gets blamed ... the only thing you may say uncertainty for business is not a good idea , and our squabbling politicians acting like fools on both sides of the HOC by not accepting the referendum vote also not acknowledging the both main parties manifestos in 2016 could end up with a no deal Brexit - MP's need to realise they are so out of touch with the public atm......
May foolishly put in an unconditional Irish backstop in instead of just having the option to leave after the implementation period - It's a mess!
 
A spokesperson for Honda's European operations said.

"This is absolutely nothing to do with Brexit. So if you voted Leave please continue to buy our cars and don't boycott us because we ditched the UK. We love the UK. Really. God save the queen! Rule Britannia. Stiff upper lip. Tally ho.

"Remember, this was nothing to do with Brexit and the potential for 10% tariffs on every car we export from there, nor do we think you're absolutely nuts for inflicting this monumental act of self-harm."

When asked whether the company planned to shut it's other EU factories in Belgium, the Honda spokesperson pointed into the distance and said 'Look, what's that over there' before diving into a hedge.
 
peteblue said:
Now just for clarity. Once again, the Honda issue has nothing to do with Brexit....they are suggesting it is about electrification of car engines....

Speaking on BBC Radio Four, Ian Howells, Vice President of Honda said: “This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, this decision has been made on the basis of global changes.
“We have always seen Brexit as something we will get through. Nevertheless these other changes that are coming at us globally we have to now respond to and as I said it is a really sad day for our people in Swindon and we regret the impact this is going to have on them and their community.”

Katsushi Inoue, Honda's chief officer for European Regional Operations and President, Honda Motor Europe said: "In light of the unprecedented changes that are affecting our industry, it is vital that we accelerate our electrification strategy and restructure our global operations accordingly.”
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It is still mostly Brexit Pete. The plant is to close in 2021 which is just at the point the transition period ends (If we get there). Hmmm coincidence?

Maybe Honda was always going to close it, but that could have been in 2027 when the 10% import charge disappears or perhaps when a totally different model comes out that requires re-tooling or changes to the factory. There is little doubt that Brexit has pushed this decision forward and is the absolute cause of the timing of this closure. You may say what is 6 or so years if it was always going to close, but I bet if you asked the workers they would have preferred it to have been employed for that bit longer.
 
Joey66 said:
The problem is we do not make cars we assemble them, and since the diesel scandal of the omissions last year were the Nissan Director was jailed, and other big car manufacturers fined heavily etc - the noises from the mayor of London, and other big cities all saying and taking action on diesel cars of a certain age in the future and old diesel cars will be banned - there has been a progressive slump in car sales over a long period - so Brexit gets blamed ... the only thing you may say uncertainty for business is not a good idea , and our squabbling politicians acting like fools on both sides of the HOC by not accepting the referendum vote also not acknowledging the both main parties manifestos in 2016 could end up with a no deal Brexit - MP's need to realise they are so out of touch with the public atm......
May foolishly put in an unconditional Irish backstop in instead of just having the option to leave after the implementation period - It's a mess!
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Here's the problem with the dieselgate excuse: the UK doesn't just produce diesel cars. It produces petrol cars and has a growing electrical infrastructure - among the largest in Europe. Yet, we're not seeing the boom in electric car production you might expect for a country as invested in it as we are. Production and sales are down across Europe, yet the UK is where factories are closing. Elsewhere in the EU (Czech republic, Hungary, Spain etc) we're seeing factories open or in the works.

And as for both sides of the HOC not accepting the referendum, BOTH sides are pro-brexit. The referendum was to leave the EU. There was no terms attached to what that meant; Leave, that's it.

It could mean staying in the single market and accepting the freedom of movement or it could mean a no-deal crash. Either option can claim to be fully honouring the referendum result. Just because it's not what you imagined when you voted leave doesn't mean that it isn't exactly what other leave voters wanted.
 
Joey66 said:
The problem is we do not make cars we assemble them, and since the diesel scandal of the omissions last year were the Nissan Director was jailed, and other big car manufacturers fined heavily etc - the noises from the mayor of London, and other big cities all saying and taking action on diesel cars of a certain age in the future and old diesel cars will be banned - there has been a progressive slump in car sales over a long period - so Brexit gets blamed ... the only thing you may say uncertainty for business is not a good idea , and our squabbling politicians acting like fools on both sides of the HOC by not accepting the referendum vote also not acknowledging the both main parties manifestos in 2016 could end up with a no deal Brexit - MP's need to realise they are so out of touch with the public atm......
May foolishly put in an unconditional Irish backstop in instead of just having the option to leave after the implementation period - It's a mess!
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I think given how entrenched both sides are now, it's descending into everything being 'because of Brexit' or 'nothing to do with Brexit'.

The reality is that it will be a variety of factors of which Brexit and the relationship with the EU is a big factor in a lot of instances, but the nuance is lost.

For me, a major factor in the original Brexit discussion wasn't about facts and nuance, it was about nationalism and cheerleaders hailing Brexit as having nothing but positives and claiming the UK car industry would thrive as a result of the decision to leave. It doesn't look like it's thriving.
 
Ron Swanson said:
Here's the problem with the dieselgate excuse: the UK doesn't just produce diesel cars. It produces petrol cars and has a growing electrical infrastructure - among the largest in Europe. Yet, we're not seeing the boom in electric car production you might expect for a country as invested in it as we are. Production and sales are down across Europe, yet the UK is where factories are closing. Elsewhere in the EU (Czech republic, Hungary, Spain etc) we're seeing factories open or in the works.

And as for both sides of the HOC not accepting the referendum, BOTH sides are pro-brexit. The referendum was to leave the EU. There was no terms attached to what that meant; Leave, that's it.

It could mean staying in the single market and accepting the freedom of movement or it could mean a no-deal crash. Either option can claim to be fully honouring the referendum result. Just because it's not what you imagined when you voted leave doesn't mean that it isn't exactly what other leave voters wanted.
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We will be forgetting petrol engines soon yet a taxi driver paid for his fleet an all hybrid cars in London telephoned LBC as the cars were having to run full time on petrol as in his are one electric charging bay........ hence he has had to run his hybrid cars on petrol ....
The UK has always had great inventors , and we should not depend on Europe to tell us how to run cars we have the technology, and the inventors - our history of innovation shows that but you would rather pass it by and rely on the EU...........
We should have left, or been in an implementation period by now , but certain europhile MPs know better = NOT!
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
I think given how entrenched both sides are now, it's descending into everything being 'because of Brexit' or 'nothing to do with Brexit'.

The reality is that it will be a variety of factors of which Brexit and the relationship with the EU is a big factor in a lot of instances, but the nuance is lost.

For me, a major factor in the original Brexit discussion wasn't about facts and nuance, it was about nationalism and cheerleaders hailing Brexit as having nothing but positives and claiming the UK car industry would thrive as a result of the decision to leave. It doesn't look like it's thriving.
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I reiterate we do not make cars we assemble them - diesel cars are on the way out not just here but over the world -
You like to blame Brexit keep going........
 
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