Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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I'm guessing here, but I think your business is part of the "digital service industry" - delivering products and services digitally across borders. This type of business would not IMO be impacted by a deal or no-deal BREXIT scenario. In reality this type of industry should see growth on the back of economic uncertainty due to potential clients looking to move their business into "the cloud" and reduce their own internal costs.

The real impact of Brexit will be felt by the manufacturing and direct sales industry due to the initial impact on trade, labour and access to european markets.

I think you are right here. I work in the quarrying industry and it is very, very quiet with a lot of firms bricking it. This is not 'project fear' (detest that term) but a reality. I am aware of at least one firm laying off 400 people recently.
 
Equally, and I don't want to appear contrary because I think you make some valid points, you can't dismiss these things.

Particularly the Bus '350m', because that, coupled with the the Brexit Dividend myth, is still believed by around 40% of the UK.

I think it's an significantly overly simplistic, borderline offensive way for people to try and rationalise or 'understand' Brexit.

If a bus can be that effective, I imagine the costs to advertise on buses has sky rocketed...

Any campaign, any referendum winner - you could point to certain aspects of the campaign that helped. It's not the be all, end all.

There was significant appetite for a referendum for good reason and London, and London based media significantly underestimated that appetite.

I moved to North Yorkshire before the referendum a few years back and people here were always going to vote leave, with or without the bus.
 
Aye, I've no doubt to an extent that's quite right. It's been said numerous times on here that London and other big cities have distanced themselves from the smaller towns and rural areas. That's been the case in most countries across the developed world, but perhaps more than most in London, where around 45% of the population are white British so it's more of a global city than a British city. I'll also readily admit that I've got far more in common with the people I meet on my travels to those cities around Europe than I do with a lot of English people.

Have you ever spend any time somewhere like Yorkshire?

I'm in London in 2 weeks (coincidentally meeting with a prospective EU based client!), if you can look after me while I'm there while I'm outside my bubble then I'll return the favour and fend of the nasty little Englanders if you ever visit Yorkshire.

I'd love to start a brexit debate in a pub around here and step back and leave you to it...
 
A lot of my work sees commercial and academic cooperation across the EU, and I work with an EC project whose very existence is designed to facilitate that.
If they really are our friends, then brexit won't matter.
If its all down to mammons filthy lucre of business, then again, brexit won't matter, money, like the love of your 'friends' will always find a way.
 
Have you ever spend any time somewhere like Yorkshire?

I'm in London in 2 weeks (coincidentally meeting with a prospective EU based client!), if you can look after me while I'm there while I'm outside my bubble then I'll return the favour and fend of the nasty little Englanders if you ever visit Yorkshire.

I'd love to start a brexit debate in a pub around here and step back and leave you to it...

Ha, always up for a challenge, and of course, happy to oblige with any assistance whilst you're down this way ;)
 
Ah, this is the 'any UK based business owner who isn't in uproar over Brexit must be an ulterior motive' ideology right?

No mate. My business isn't cloud based and most of the narrative around Brexit and the UK Digital Industry is pretty negative and there's some very valid concerns but I'm sure it'll come out in the wash.

In truth I'm largely nonchalant on Brexit. I don't know all the answers, I just don't believe it's as big as a disaster as the media and London like to tell us all it is.

No - not at all. I myself work in the digital services industry and everything I've heard is that we expect an upturn not a downturn in business opportunities post brexit. I'm an avid remainer but my reasons for that are more personal and not related to business.

If however I worked in the manufacturing industry or exported goods abroad then yes I would be extremely concerned about Brexit.
 
I think it's an significantly overly simplistic, borderline offensive way for people to try and rationalise or 'understand' Brexit.

If a bus can be that effective, I imagine the costs to advertise on buses has sky rocketed...

Any campaign, any referendum winner - you could point to certain aspects of the campaign that helped. It's not the be all, end all.

There was significant appetite for a referendum for good reason and London, and London based media significantly underestimated that appetite.

I moved to North Yorkshire before the referendum a few years back and people here were always going to vote leave, with or without the bus.
I think that may be an oversimplification of the issue. While it was famously on the bus, it was a line rolled out repeatedly, over and over again to the public in interviews, posters, TV adverts, social media etc. Coupled with media lines about 'how many more can we take?'.

Like I said, 40% of the UK still think it's true.
 
I think you are right here. I work in the quarrying industry and it is very, very quiet with a lot of firms bricking it. This is not 'project fear' (detest that term) but a reality. I am aware of at least one firm laying off 400 people recently.
No - not at all. I myself work in the digital services industry and everything I've heard is that we expect an upturn not a downturn in business opportunities post brexit. I'm an avid remainer but my reasons for that are more personal and not related to business.

If however I worked in the manufacturing industry or exported goods abroad then yes I would be extremely concerned about Brexit.
I think this sums up a point I was making in the last few days, in the event of no deal, and trading on WTO terms we will have to decide, globally, what type of market we want to operate in and where we position ourselves within it.

Financial or IT services won't help manufacturing or agriculture. There are going to be some winners and some very local losers.
 
The farming industry have said repeatedly that they need free movement of people, yet you're happy to ignore that. Don't pretend you now care about them.


They do indeed. And people who do come here from abroad under free movement are the types of people who we export to work abroad, hard working individuals. The lazy free loaders tend to stay exactly where they are, being the nature of such individuals.
 
Ironically most of the shackles are imposed from Brussels. Someone, somewhere has to provide an alternative, the disparity continues to grow and something has to give.

Tbf quite a few on the left are happy that the U.K. is leaving over here (especially our communist friends- a force to be reckoned with in the Walloon part of the country), and with that it's influence diminishing. Like Germany they are/were a significant force of neo-liberal policy at E.U level, so Germany loses a main ally. I don't think you can point everything on the E.U though; a lot of it has been of the U.K.'s making. Zero hour contracts etc, are not a E.U wide thing. Should have strongly opposed it at the time. Most don't really believe in effective collective bargaining etc... That's the thing I always find a bit bizarre, some on here think that post-brexit U.K. is going to result in more redistribution of wealth when the reality is that I can't see Labour winning an election in the somewhat immediate future. And say, a likely option, that the U.K.'s going to lower the corporation tax after Brexit, that's not very beneficial for the redistribution of wealth ... It is a national strike over here today, something to do with extra purchasing power and the agreed level of allowed pay rise above index level on a collective level. In fairness a bit pre-mature, even my father had to admit that, and he's a union rep (negotiations are still ongoing); wasn't best pleased either if you strike you only get paid 40€/day a whole lot less than a normal day's work. I seldom read about similar things in the U.K.
 
Tbf quite a few on the left are happy that the U.K. is leaving over here (especially our communist friends- a force to be reckoned with in the Walloon part of the country), and with that it's influence diminishing. Like Germany they are/were a significant force of neo-liberal policy at E.U level, so Germany loses a main ally. I don't think you can point everything on the E.U though; a lot of it has been of the U.K.'s making. Zero hour contracts etc, are not a E.U wide thing. Should have strongly opposed it at the time. Most don't really believe in effective collective bargaining etc... That's the thing I always find a bit bizarre, some on here think that post-brexit U.K. is going to result in more redistribution of wealth when the reality is that I can't see Labour winning an election in the somewhat immediate future. And say, a likely option, that the U.K.'s going to lower the corporation tax after Brexit, that's not very beneficial for the redistribution of wealth ... It is a national strike over here today, something to do with extra purchasing power and the agreed level of allowed pay rise above index level on a collective level. In fairness a bit pre-mature, even my father had to admit that, and he's a union rep (negotiations are still ongoing); wasn't best pleased either if you strike you only get paid 40€/day a whole lot less than a normal day's work. I seldom read about similar things in the U.K.

Labour laws have been cut, altered over many tory governments and the failure of Nlair to redress those are one of the main reasons he is considered a tory.
The opt out of elements of the working time directive allowed zero hour contracts to flourish and alongside benefit sanctions has created a hyper competitive labour market that some blame on freedom of movement (one way usually).
The demise of unionisation has lead to an apathetic acquiescence to working conditions and the portrayal of those striking, the RMT for example, by the media as subverting the public has created a reluctance in the public to support.
 
Have you ever spend any time somewhere like Yorkshire?

I'm in London in 2 weeks (coincidentally meeting with a prospective EU based client!), if you can look after me while I'm there while I'm outside my bubble then I'll return the favour and fend of the nasty little Englanders if you ever visit Yorkshire.

I'd love to start a brexit debate in a pub around here and step back and leave you to it...
Why would anyone want to do that? lol

Just kidding Yorkshire peeps
 
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