Don't like to disagree with you, but they are our friends imho.
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Yorkshire fond memories of it see Ingelton water falls they reckon you can die with pride then - Lovely county for fell walking etc Burnsall is nice too had many a holiday there......lived nearby there too at one stage of my career.....
Beautiful up there. I walked the 3 peaks in January and July last year, amazing how much the landscape changes in that time. Stunning on both ocassions for very different reasons (bloody cold in January mind). Don't really know Burnsall too well, is it worth a visit?
Yes lovely village by a river, there was a pub in my 20s that served the finest theakson,s bitter - nectar -google it if it's still open - better than arguing over Brexit keeping on topic wish both sides and the EU could do a decent deal, and let the implementation period get going .......
I'm sensing the need to do a walking thread in the ale house. Must be some folk on here that enjoy hiking and walking.
Hey I was a keen walker in my youth loved the dales, the Lancashire Fells, Trough of Bowland
The ale always tasted nicer somehow- Pie & Peas after a ten mile hike.....
It beat the towns and cities hands down in my day.....
I went in Early May to Burnsall it was snowing .....on holiday my wife and I hired a cottage no wonder we are Brexiteers lol
Individually I'm sure they are, Nationally, when push come to shove, I'm not so sure they are our friends, a true friend, as in deep down I know I can rely on ........ to have my back covered, more like just not our enemies at the moment.
It would be naive in the extreme to think that France would not put their national interest above ours. The Germans might let the odd one slide on a quid pro quo basis, the rest do as they're told by the two main pay masters and/or don't matter.
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A lot of things for the U.K. to remedy (and posssibly other countries that decided to take that route). I also understand that if you live in some deprived area that freedom of movement means nothing to you- especially if your government doesn't bother to implement the rules properly. While we're at it: one of the things that I find absurd is for instance a McDonalds that is open 24/7 - for a multitude of reasons really, the very lax rules on student labour, well basically all the -to me- dehumanizing stuff. Once had a conversation with someone on here, can't remember who it was, and he was telling me that unions are basically useless. That's a quasi unheard point of view over here; one of the reasons possibly being that they keep hammering on the history of unions etc during your secondary education. Oh and membership of a union is tax deductible.
Because of my nationality I'm quite federalist by nature. For instance; we had the Benelux for ages (from before the E.U.). Still an appropriate organisation for a lot of things we do trans-nationally for scale-advantages etc (but that go further than the E.U./or can't find an agreement for)... An example: Beneluxa: basically a vehicle to command lower drug prices for innovative medicines (to somewhat curb the excesses of the pharmaceutical industry). Well it started as the Benelux and then there was also Austria; oh and since recently there is also Ireland. Still I don't think they'll be changing the name - or they'll end up with something like Beneluxair.
I don't think Brexit will have a positive effect on the vulnerable sections of the British society, but I've always said on here (and irl) - out is out (but you can still somewhat choose the variety off course- well at least until the deadline runs out). It's not like it will suddenly reinvigorate a new wave of solidarity.
Official guidance that 70 of the trade arrangements we have as part of the EU will vanish overnight in the event of no deal.
“The EU’s partners in these agreements range from large economies, such as Japan and South Korea, to very small economies such as Dominica and St Vincent & the Grenadines. The trade agreements account for around 14-15% of UK trade in goods.”
Folks like @peteblue they don't care about that. They are repelled by the idea of Europe working as one entity...even when autonomy is real. Mostly repelled by being a dominant force but not the most dominant.
They haven't forgotten WWII and will never feel comfortable with a more powerful Germany emerging over the last couple of decades as the leader of Europe.
That'd be the WW2 they were born after? Just asking for a friend.
Born on date doesn't matter with nationalists. Just more attactive to a certain demographic.
I mean if I grew up in the UK in the 50's, 60's or 70's I could understand the inherent distrust of Europe as a common entity geopolitically. So much history.
It's so easy to fear monger.
It's so easy to fear monger.
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Good coherent post again, refreshing
Britain is a class ridden society, sadly only revolution could change that, and that seems to only exist in a Celtic part of the psyche.
We don't teach kids about the Levellers, about Peterloo and we still have the Murdoch version of the Miner's strike forming the opinions of the public in regards to unions.
I do believe this whole Brexit situation is purposefully created, the bones to be picked at by capitalist vultures and as always the poorer people and poorer areas will be hit hardest. Recent reports suggest London and the south east would suffer the least post Brexit and from that it becomes easier to trace steps backwards to find some of the underlying reasons why the leave vote succeeded, disparity, one of the few burgeoning industries we have.
Those less caring on the right approach the disparity as you would expect, but the lurch to the right promoted by the media is concerning, not just because it vindicates a less caring approach, but because it negates a society that is fair in its approach.
Everyone is duped.
As always we are left with that single question of cui bono?
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