Wow.....that is a big statement, Steve.
A big statement.
Peter has set a pretty high bar in that particular department
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Wow.....that is a big statement, Steve.
A big statement.
Peter has set a pretty high bar in that particular department
Wow.....that is a big statement, Steve.
A big statement.
Peter has set a pretty high bar in that particular department
For an clearly educated man with his many years of experience (which he reminds us all daily) to make a statement saying that someone who hasn't lived through something cannot know or understand the plight of a country or a certain historical event clearly is right up there. I am sure the lads on here from NI will defo disagree with that bold statement of his given what they and their families have been through whether they were directly impacted or lived through the worst times themselves.
The irony is it actually backs up those on here who have made the point that the majority of brexiteers who voted to leave (of a certain age that is) did so because of nostalgia and a yearn for a better time without immigrants and changing times. Those who are stuck in their ways and see the EU being everything against "British values" Whether its good or bad for them is irrelevant.
Steve, I have just finished a book alluding to that very misty eyed phenomenon.
By Fintan O’Toole.
“HEROIC FAILURE....Brexit and the Politics of Pain”.
Wirth a read if you can get your hands on it.
Must look it up so thanks.
That is largely supposition though Pete. There have been attempts to understand the leave vote, both in terms of who they are and why they voted leave, and you have pretty much dismissed them all because they either didn't ask all 17.4 million leave voters or didn't ask you yourself. I suspect the reality is that they came to a conclusion you didn't approve of so dismissed what is the best methodology we have. Sadly, then in true leave campaign style, you pluck a random number out of thin air with no basis behind it and assign that equal weight to the best sampling methodologies available today.
His argument was not against migrants, it was against the collapse in job security, housing availability and whatnot.
Jeremy Corbyn says EU free movement means no immigration limit
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says there can be no upper limit on the number of people coming into the UK while there is free movement of labour.www.bbc.co.uk
In that second article, he's clearly stating that he believes under free movement of people there are too many migrants here, and by proxy that they have had a negative impact on British society. When the data specifically compiled by the government trying to drive through this rubbish disagrees with that, you would think he might sit up and take notice, or at least his followers might do. Not for Teflon Jez though it seems, who can never be wrong about anything, ever.
I mean I understand that Corbyn has always been a Latin American style socialist rather than a Soviet style one, but given the enormous restrictions the Soviets placed on any kind of movement, whether for work or leisure, you would think a man with a scrap of self awareness might understand why being able to live and work where you please across Europe is such a cherished right.
NilSatisOptimum
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My first lectures at uni was how to use and be responsible with what you were going to learn and take people with you, not brow beat patronise and divide. Sometimes remain does fall into this trap, often actually.
NilSatisOptimum
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The trouble with the main proponents of leave vote it gets its energies from the financial crash. The trouble with the main proponents of remain it wants to blame Brexit for all economic down turn. Both sides peddle their lies.
Neither leave or remain address the consequences of the financial crash. Which was the UK was always going to be falling down economic ladder because of the financial crash. Brexit and where the UK finds itself now, is a direct consequence of the financial crash.
It's why both sides are in a total mess because the truth shames them both, as they both support the systems that allowed the banks to do this.
That's a fair point I think, but I would divide people into two. The first contains the vast majority of folk who don't really know much about what they're voting on, which is perfectly rational as they have day jobs and devote precious little time to things that they have little control over. They will probably vote emotionally rather than rationally, and as such tend to be quite tribal and unshakeable.
A second group are folk like Pete, who has clearly been involved in very complex projects during his life, so has experience with how these kind of things work. He knows full well that every single project he's worked on would have had extensive planning beforehand to test market assumptions, human resource assumptions, financial assumptions, even political assumptions. A plan will often be pitched to secure the resources required to proceed. None of this has happened, and people that should have thought in this latter way appear have thought in the former way instead.
Of course, greater understanding has revealed the futility of such plans, and a more 'agile' or experimental approach is now common. I'm sure Pete will be all too familiar with the work of people like DARPA, and I'm minded of the driverless car competitions that they ran, and how hopeless early entrants were, but how rapid progress has been. Yet despite being all too well aware of such approaches, Pete airily dismisses criticism of the government for not doing anything even remotely similar for the Irish border, or indeed any of the other 'wicked' problems society faces.
It's people like that, who should know a whole lot better, who were the target of Tusk's missive this week, and he's completely spot on.
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You know that doesn’t follow on from his question?
I honestly don’t want to be any closer to your view point. Questioning the suitability of Varadkar to fulfill his role due to his father not being Irish born is incredible.
Also on the 'trading with the world' thing, I know Stanford don't really know much about business (and Johnson said we should do rude things to business), but their analogy is like jumping from a plane without a parachute - https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insigh...-business-jumping-out-plane-without-parachute
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Quoting 'facts' and 'experts' willy nillly isn't going to make me more reasonable. Brexit means Brexit, and we won.
I accept they probably didn't ask @peteblue but the findings that 71% of pensioners (with their triple locked pensions) would happily blow up the economy to deliver Brexit underlines the madness we're dealing with.
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