Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Armaghtoffee]

I think it had some part to play in it, as did the promises made by the leave campaigners:

'EU trade easiest in history'
'no downside, only considerable upside'
'Post Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods'

A policy of Austerity and managed decline in regions across the UK and right wing media stoking division and resentment.

I have unfortunately heard the racist argument and I live in a place that relies on migrant workers. Our main employers rely on Portuguese/Polish/East Timorese/Latvian yet people reference Foreigners.

Those Foreigners are funding our pensions.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I have unfortunately heard the racist argument and I live in a place that relies on migrant workers. Our main employers rely on Portuguese/Polish/East Timorese/Latvian yet people reference Foreigners.

Those Foreigners are funding our pensions.

It was most definitely a factor in the vote.

 

[peteblue]

He is right though though Pete. Your post questioning Varadkar’s legitimacy to represent Ireland was shameful.

Perhaps, but I raised it in a different context. Some decided not to read what was actually in my post and concentrate on the bit that they perceived as racist. Even now they can’t let it go and think they are being clever by referring to it ad nauseam...personally I find it boring and adding nothing to the debate.....

 

[tsubaki]

I don't see how that furthers the discussion. You back the deal and introduce a peoples vote - then if it's still leave you go with what? May's deal was rejected so it can't be that and all other options have been rejected by the EU or UK governments.

Under the proposal we would leave on May's deal if that won in the 2nd referendum. If she lost, we'd remain in.

As a proposal I think it has a lot to go for it - May would get her deal passed in the Commons, but if it lost at 2nd ref and we stayed in she wouldn't be blamed as much as she would if we left without a deal or stayed in anyway. Labour gets to enact its conference-agreed policy (as the five demands wouldn't have been met, the result would be backing a 2nd ref which this proposal contains), and the rest of the opposition (SNP, PC and Libs) get the 2nd ref they've all been calling for. The only people who would be dead against it are the ERG / DUP and Lexit crowd, who comprise about 150 votes tops.

 

[peteblue]

Statistically yes it is. The better educated you are/were, the more likely you are/were to vote Remain.

Well in our case that is patently not true, is it.....

 

[peteblue]

He may well be, but to paraphrase Churchill: in the morning he'll be sober, but he'll still be an idiot.

I’m glad you that paraphrase one of our countries greatest leaders......

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Perhaps, but I raised it in a different context. Some decided not to read what was actually in my post and concentrate on the bit that they perceived as racist. Even now they can’t let it go and think they are being clever by referring to it ad nauseam...personally I find it boring and adding nothing to the debate.....

Humour me Pete.

You told me that Leo Varadkar isn’t as Irish as I am. Why is that?

 

[magicjuan]

I think it had some part to play in it, as did the promises made by the leave campaigners:

'EU trade easiest in history'
'no downside, only considerable upside'
'Post Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods'

A policy of Austerity and managed decline in regions across the UK and right wing media stoking division and resentment.

Don't underestimate the role the media had in that, they were the ones that did their utmost to maintain a single discussion point on immigration throughout the build up. They set the tone and agenda.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Well in our case that is patently not true, is it.....

No. Statistically it is true. I'll wait for your evidence to the contrary...

 

[peteblue]

Humour me Pete.

You told me that Leo Varadkar isn’t as Irish as I am. Why is that?

Because I assume your Irish heritage goes back more than one generation. Varadkar while being born in Ireland is of Indian background and spent many years thereafter there. Many Indians still have a hang up about the British Raj, as Obama did about Kenya. It happens. This is not racist, this is a belonging to a certain background or wish. It’s like Irish American politicians supporting the IRA. It’s emotive but not necessarily constructive.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

Don't underestimate the role the media had in that, they were the ones that did their utmost to maintain a single discussion point on immigration throughout the build up. They set the tone and agenda.

Absolutely right

 

[magicjuan]

Statistically yes it is. The better educated you are/were, the more likely you are/were to vote Remain.

Statistically? And the defining points for 'better educated' were these university degrees, bar exams as opposed to NVQs and apprenticeships? Because once you start getting into statistical 'qualifications' then it becomes patronising, class ridden and offensive.
The 'intelligentsia' by those definitions have been running the shores for centuries and guess who put us into this mess?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Because I assume your Irish heritage goes back more than one generation. Varadkar while being born in Ireland is of Indian background and spent many years thereafter there. Many Indians still have a hang up about the British Raj, as Obama did about Kenya. It happens. This is not racist, this is a belonging to a certain background or wish. It’s like Irish American politicians supporting the IRA. It’s emotive but not necessarily constructive.....

Your names goes back generations if it's 'one of the oldest names in Ireland'. Stop talking about the UK issues, we don't want your lot dictating to us proper Brits, with proper British Surnames.

 

[tsubaki]

Don't underestimate the role the media had in that, they were the ones that did their utmost to maintain a single discussion point on immigration throughout the build up. They set the tone and agenda.

... as did large numbers of prominent Remain backers, including almost all those who subsequently attacked Corbyn for losing that referendum.

 

[peteblue]

Your names goes back generations if it's 'one of the oldest names in Ireland'. Stop talking about the UK issues, we don't want your lot dictating to us proper Brits, with proper British Surnames.

You see, I try and debate issues. I try and put across thoughts, even those that may be different to yours.you have added nothing except attempting to play some form of race card. Fine, if that’s all you’ve got, but we do try to add something extra in here......