Current Affairs EU In or Out

[bobbydigital]

Strange how it is Americans on both this and Spurs boards flying the flag for Remain and telling us how stupid we have been. I have two words for them.

President Trump.

What do you think about the kind of people who vote for President Trump?

 

[magicjuan]

Good post mate. I believe this is exactly why they lost, the remain campaign was a bunch of sneering out of touch, metropolitan, champagne Socialists who jeered at ordinary decent people.

The likes of Bob Geldof and Eddie Izzard etc.

That has translated to snobbery. Had it with friends, being patronising and oh so condescending.

Most of their rhetoric was about how they came across as opposed to content, mainly regurgitating guardian articles.

Has to be a greater consideration across the board not just the latte lickers

 

[Jags..class]

Anyone read about the TTIP

 

[scratchnsurf]

We've just consigned ourselves to the backwaters of Europe, and you want us to try and get on with things? Romania and Poland are more appealing to outside investors right now than the United Kingdom

What I want has nothing to do with it. Are you proposing we don't get on with it and continue crying about the result?

 

[hullefc]

Considering there has been unprecedented concerns about the working class, expressed by both the leavers and the inners, I look forward to a pro working class policies/agenda/manifesto from those leavers, and remainers in the Tory government to alleviate the strains of austerity on the vulnerable, poor and disabled. I also look forward to a house building boom that will provide working class with decent, liveable and affordable homes so there will be no more waiting lists.

 

[scratchnsurf]

No. But you can begin to see the outcome will be different from what people think they voted for. How many times have they got to wave your wallet in your face until you realise you have been robbed? I accept the vote although I disagree, but the voters have been conned and that should not be acceptable to anybody.

Of course mate, the whole campaign from both sides was a disgrace. Who would have thought a bunch of politicians could be so dishonest and try to pull the wool over the eyes of the public?

 

[hullefc]

Anyone read about the TTIP

Looks like the French are trying to stop it.

TTIP ‘doesn’t respect EU interests’: French PM Valls says ‘non’ to transatlantic treaty

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Considering there has been unprecedented concerns about the working class, expressed by both the leavers and the inners, I look forward to a pro working class policies/agenda/manifesto from those leavers, and remainers in the Tory government to alleviate the strains of austerity on the vulnerable, poor and disabled. I also look forward to a house building boom that will provide working class with decent, liveable and affordable homes so there will be no more waiting lists.

You'll be waiting a while for that like, given the economy is going to shrink and therefore public spending will be reduced

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Good post mate. I believe this is exactly why they lost, the remain campaign was a bunch of sneering out of touch, metropolitan, champagne Socialists who jeered at ordinary decent people.

The likes of Bob Geldof and Eddie Izzard etc.

Whereas Leave was headed by a bumbling public school toff. Don't use that as an excuse for making a massive error

 

[Seanjd]

Good post mate. I believe this is exactly why they lost, the remain campaign was a bunch of sneering out of touch, metropolitan, champagne Socialists who jeered at ordinary decent people.

I agree that Cameron is out of touch and jeers at ordinary decent people, but I wouldn't describe him as being a champagne socialist...

 

[1966efc]

Interesting how the statistics have been dressed up to suit the protagonists.

75% of de yoof voted Remain. Actually, 75% of the 40% who bothered to vote, voted Remain.

Jeremy was the only leader who carried "his vote" to Remain. 63% of party members followed his advice. People who normally vote Labour voters outside metropolitan areas (those areas Labour claims to want to win an election) gave the party the finger by and large.

 

[Seanjd]

Interesting how the statistics have been dressed up to suit the protagonists.

75% of de yoof voted Remain. Actually, 75% of the 40% who bothered to vote, voted Remain.

Jeremy was the only leader who carried "his vote" to Remain. 63% of party members followed his advice. People who normally vote Labour voters outside metropolitan areas (those areas Labour claims to want to win an election) gave the party the finger by and large.

Where did you find the 40% of young voters turned out stat?

 

[anton66]

Interesting how the statistics have been dressed up to suit the protagonists.

75% of de yoof voted Remain. Actually, 75% of the 40% who bothered to vote, voted Remain.

Jeremy was the only leader who carried "his vote" to Remain. 63% of party members followed his advice. People who normally vote Labour voters outside metropolitan areas (those areas Labour claims to want to win an election) gave the party the finger by and large.

So 70% of young voters did not vote to remain?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So we should trust everything we see on social media? Because I saw this thing about a Polski sklep turning away English customers. Shall I report them to the po po?

My other half has already experienced it on a visit (on Friday). Thankfully nothing on the scale of some of the incidences posted here, but commentary on her accent etc. As that's happening in a London borough that was ~75% remain, I can only imagine what things are like in heavily Brexit dominated areas of the country.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You miss the point.

I'm talking about the purpose behind the government gaining a mandate to threaten to invoke Article 50, in a situation where invoking said Article would leave the six other net contributors to the EU facing an increase in their contributions that they cannot or do not want to make.

I appreciate your point that many leave voters will not have been voting with this in mind. You are certainly right about some leave voters, possibly a majority, But I certainly voted with this factor in mind, and so were most of my leave-voting friends.

The end game here is that we are going to negotiate a better deal on staying in the EU because the other net contributors cannot afford for us to leave. Part of that better deal is going to be our exemption from the free movement policy. We couldn't get this kind of deal without first threatening to leave the EU, and we couldn't do that without holding a referendum.

After WW2 the German economy was on its knees and it's population in dire straights. There were many who suggested we should let her starve as punishment for the war. Thankfully common sense prevailed and help was offered to get the country back on its feet.

If the moral of the story isn't clear, it's that a strong continent is better for all it's inhabitants, or if you want it more colourfully, a rising tide lifts all boats. As @The Esk has said many times, we gain (in trade) far more than the excess we contribute to the EU. It wouldn't be too far fetched to believe that the other net-contributors to the EU are fully aware of this and are happy making the trade.