Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Brennan]

Its irrelevant,, Scotland opted to stay with the UK and The UK opted out of the EU

It's not irrelevant at all. You're deluded if you think so.

The Scottish 'In' campaign focussed strongly on the idea that the best way for Scotland to remain in the EU was as a part of the UK. That is now null and void and a change to the nation as big as being taken out of the EU is clear justification for a second referendum.

Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP campaigned for election last year with a clear point in their manifesto being that any such change to EU membership would be seen as justification for a second referendum. The Scottish people overwhelmingly backed this manifesto in 2015.

The SNP manifesto for the Scottish Parliament election does not promise a second independence referendum within the next five year term.

However, it says Holyrood should have the right to hold another referendum if there is "clear and sustained evidence" of majority support for independence, or if there is a "significant and material" change in circumstances, such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against its will.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-scotland-36181591

 

[The Mighty Quint]

Like I said yesterday, Merkel has our back on this, she's already telling the rest to chill their beans, we were Germany's closest partner in Europe, she's got the likes of Siemens, Bosch, VAG Group, BMW to consider, the exports from Germany to the UK from those companies alone means they aren't going to give us too hard a time over free trade.

Germany exports nearly $100bn in goods to us every year, there is a trade deficit of nearly half in favour of Germany for the combined trading between both countries, 15% of all our imported goods comes from Germany.

All you see in the media is we are doomed because we won't have access to the common market as we did, well what about the billions in goods we import from the likes of Germany, France, Italy, the door swings both ways.

 

[Brennan]

Like I said yesterday, Merkel has our back on this, she's already telling the rest to chill their beans, we were Germany's closest partner in Europe, she's got the likes of Siemens, Bosch, VAG Group, BMW to consider, the exports from Germany to the UK from those companies alone means they aren't going to give us too hard a time over free trade.

Germany exports nearly $100bn in goods to us every year, there is a trade deficit of nearly half in favour of Germany for the combined trading between both countries, 15% of all our imported goods comes from Germany.

All you see in the media is we are doomed because we won't have access to the common market as we did, well what about the billions in goods we import from the likes of Germany, France, Italy, the door swings both ways.

And has Bruce has said, Germany, France, and Italy are not the only members of the EU. As much as the media sometimes like to act like it Merkel is not the supreme leader of Europe just yet.

 

[RFUS]

For a country without legalised firearms, we've really managed to shoot ourselves in the foot....

 

[The Esk]

Germany exports nearly $100bn in goods to us every year

Germany exports roughly 7 billion Euros of goods to the UK p.a.. We are Germany's 4th largest export market.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

And has Bruce has said, Germany, France, and Italy are not the only members of the EU. As much as the media sometimes like to act like it Merkel is not the supreme leader of Europe just yet.

It is in the interest of all countries in Europe to have free trade with the UK, and inparticularly important for the major countries.

Germany, France and Italy carry major weight in Europe and all need to keep the exports to the UK as they are.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

Germany exports roughly 7 billion Euros of goods to the UK p.a.. We are Germany's 4th largest export market.

In 2015, United Kingdom bought US$625.7 billion worth of imported products down by 12.8% since 2011 and down by 9.9% from 2014 to 2015.

Germany's exports to the UK amounted to $92.6 billion or 14.8% of its overall imports.

1. Vehicles: $31 billion
2. Machinery: $12.8 billion
3. Pharmaceuticals: $6.7 billion
4. Electronic equipment: $6.3 billion
5. Plastics: $3.6 billion
6. Medical, technical equipment: $3.1 billion
7. Aircraft, spacecraft: $1.7 billion
8. Iron or steel products: $1.6 billion
9. Paper: $1.5 billion
10. Aluminum: $1.5 billion

Dutch exports to the UK amounted to $46.9 billion or 7.5% of its overall imports.

1. Electronic equipment: $7.8 billion
2. Pharmaceuticals: $5.6 billion
3. Machinery: $5.5 billion
4. Oil: $3 billion
5. Vehicles: $2.2 billion
6. Medical, technical equipment: $2.1 billion
7. Plastics: $1.9 billion
8. Organic chemicals: $1.5 billion
9. Meat: $1.3 billion
10. Live trees and plants: $1.2 billion

France's exports to the UK amounted to $36.2 billion or 5.8% of its overall imports.

1. Vehicles: $5.8 billion
2. Machinery: $3.7 billion
3. Electronic equipment: $2.1 billion
4. Beverages: $2.1 billion
5. Pharmaceuticals: $1.7 billion
6. Plastics: $1.5 billion
7. Oil: $1.4 billion
8. Perfumes, cosmetics: $1.3 billion
9. Gems, precious metals: $1.2 billion
10. Aircraft, spacecraft: $1.1 billion

 

[toffee matt]

Free Trade isn't going to happen without some sort of Free Movement.

We have little leverage over this

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

That has translated to snobbery. Had it with friends, being patronising and oh so condescending.

Most of their rhetoric was about how they came across as opposed to content, mainly regurgitating guardian articles.

Has to be a greater consideration across the board not just the latte lickers

I voted remain, but I agree on a lot of the crap coming from remain voters, some of my other half's friends were hysterical, one said that she was ashamed to have been born in this country, and that she hasn't stopped crying since the vote, another thought it would be a good idea to find an empty island somewhere, and ship all the vote leave racists out there.

Another went a bit further about vote leavers, saying "what do you expect from a load of simpletons who scrub toilets for a living."

These are her London branch of friends, or as you would say "Latte lickers" or as I would say "bellends"

 

[Brennan]

It is in the interest of all countries in Europe to have free trade with the UK, and inparticularly important for the major countries.

Germany, France and Italy carry major weight in Europe and all need to keep the exports to the UK as they are.

Nobody is disputing that.

The whole point of the last several pages has been that the EU will not give us free trade without free movement. End of.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

Nobody is disputing that.

The whole point of the last several pages has been that the EU will not give us free trade without free movement. End of.

In your opinion, we'll see.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

Free Trade isn't going to happen without some sort of Free Movement.

We have little leverage over this

Little leverage?, we import billions of dollars worth of goods from Europe, there is the leverage

We will employ a Australian points system, so there will be plenty of doors left open for the right people to come here.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Like I said yesterday, Merkel has our back on this, she's already telling the rest to chill their beans, we were Germany's closest partner in Europe, she's got the likes of Siemens, Bosch, VAG Group, BMW to consider, the exports from Germany to the UK from those companies alone means they aren't going to give us too hard a time over free trade.

Germany exports nearly $100bn in goods to us every year, there is a trade deficit of nearly half in favour of Germany for the combined trading between both countries, 15% of all our imported goods comes from Germany.

All you see in the media is we are doomed because we won't have access to the common market as we did, well what about the billions in goods we import from the likes of Germany, France, Italy, the door swings both ways.

We won't have trouble making a deal, provided we accept free movement, which will be the sticking point and will be the reason it drags on

But if Europe is willing to bend on that, we'll make a deal easily and rather quickly

The ball is in Europe's court now

It'll be exceedingly hard for whoever makes the deal to come back from the table without control over our borders secured, and it'll be political suicide to walk straight in and accept it right away. They're going to at least have to make a show that they're fighting for it

However, I still see it as a battle that they won't be able to win. I'm sure they are already considering measures for damage control once they come back and admit free movement has to remain

 

[The Esk]

All you see in the media is we are doomed because we won't have access to the common market as we did, well what about the billions in goods we import from the likes of Germany, France, Italy, the door swings both ways.

You need to look at the relative importance to each economy. When you do so you realise the single market is far more important to the UK than any individual nation.

Germany exports 7% of its total exports to the UK
France exports 7% of its total exports to the UK
Italy exports 5% of its total exports to the UK

The UK exports 44% of its total exports to the EU

source: www.tradingeconomics.com

Now, on a relative basis is the single market more important to individual member states of the EU or is it more important to the UK for exports?

Clearly we have much more to lose than any single nation in Europe by being denied access to the single market. That is again an undeniable economic fact.

 

[Tubey]

Little leverage?, we import billions of dollars worth of goods from Europe, there is the leverage

We will employ a Australian points system, so there will be plenty of doors left open for the right people to come here.

Once again, no, we won't.