Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

The leave voters have properly knifed us good honest non racists with their vote. Jon Snow style.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

We won't have trouble making a deal, provided we accept free movement, which will be the sticking point and will be the reason it drags on

But if Europe is willing to bend on that, we'll make a deal easily and rather quickly

The ball is in Europe's court now

It'll be exceedingly hard for whoever makes the deal to come back from the table without control over our borders secured, and it'll be political suicide to walk straight in and accept it right away. They're going to at least have to make a show that they're fighting for it

However, I still see it as a battle that they won't be able to win. I'm sure they are already considering measures for damage control once they come back and admit free movement has to remain

I think some of you are grossing underestimating the cards we hold in this matter.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Little leverage?, we import billions of dollars worth of goods from Europe, there is the leverage

We will employ a Australian points system, so there will be plenty of doors left open for the right people to come here.

How much do we import from Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia et al?

 

[toffee matt]

Little leverage?, we import billions of dollars worth of goods from Europe, there is the leverage

We will employ a Australian points system, so there will be plenty of doors left open for the right people to come here.

Main priority of the EU is to keep the EU together. Look at Greece last summer for precedent

 

[orchard]

On the basis that we would remain in the EU.

They voted to remain part of the UK mate. Just because they were told that if they left the uk then they wouldn't automatically join the Eu isn't relevant.

 

[Tubey]

The amount of this going on in this thread is surreal.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

You need to look at the relative importance to each economy. When you do so you realise the single market is far more important to the UK than any individual nation.

Germany exports 7% of its total exports to the UK
France exports 7% of its total exports to the UK
Italy exports 5% of its total exports to the UK

The UK exports 44% of its total exports to the EU

Now, on a relative basis is the single market more important to individual member states of the EU or is it more important to the UK for exports?

Clearly we have much more to lose than any single nation in Europe by being denied access to the single market. That is again an undeniable economic fact.

I've given you the totals in cold hard cash above Esk, our biggest imports in order are from Germany, China, USA, Holland, France, Belguim, Italy, Spain, Ireland, Norway, Canada

 

[orchard]

What exactly, unless you just want to make yourself feel enlightened at everyone else's expense?

The amount of this going on in this thread is surreal.

 

[Brennan]

They voted to remain part of the UK mate. Just because they were told that if they left the uk then they wouldn't automatically join the Eu isn't relevant.

Nonsense.

As I just said, and you seemingly ignored, a major point of contention in the Scottish referendum was EU membership.

You say it isn't relevant, the Scottish people seem to disagree. They elected the SNP with their manifesto, and polls are showing that a second referendum is wanted by 60% of the Scottish electorate. This has increased significantly since the EU leave vote.

 

[Seanjd]

In your opinion, we'll see.

Let's just forget for a second that free movement is a founding principle of the EU for a second. For some reason this doesn't seem an important point to some here.

We have just left the EU in one of the most high profile elections in recent European history. The EU, obviously, wants the EU to remain as it is. Why on earth would they allow us to continue to access the free market on our own terms, removing free movement of people from our deal, when it would risk the break up of the EU as we know it? I am sure the EU would not allow it to happen - unless they want other countries to look at us as an example of how to leave but continue access the free market without agreeing to free movement. It is absolutely not going to happen.

 

[orchard]

Of course, as i'm sure they would vote differently now if we democratically prohibited fried Mar's bars. So what?

Nonsense.

As I just said, and you seemingly ignored, a major point of contention in the Scottish referendum was EU membership.

You say it isn't relevant, the Scottish people seem to disagree. They elected the SNP with their manifesto, and polls are showing that a second referendum is wanted by 60% of the Scottish electorate.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I think some of you are grossing underestimating the cards we hold in this matter.

Hey, if they manage to negociate a deal where they get control of the borders, then fair play to them

As I've mentioned previously in this thread, Immigration is a complete non-issue to me but I can see that it means a lot to others, so if they manage to make those people happy by getting the deal they want, then fair enough

I really can't see it happening though

I think ultimately we'll end up with a similar system to Norway, which is a compromise I don't think the majority of the leave voters will be happy with

Just out of interest, if they accept free movement, will you see that as a betrayal? If so, what do you think will be the next step? Will leavers accept it or will there be bedlam?

 

[Brennan]

Of course, as i'm sure they would vote differently now if we democratically prohibited fried Mar's bars. So what?

And now you've just resorted to being a flippant tit. Nice one.

 

[Tubey]

What exactly, unless you just want to make yourself feel enlightened at everyone else's expense?

Because no matter how many times people tell others absolute, indisputable facts, they cover their ears and pretend they don't exist.

I'm not talking about generally wanting to leave the EU - everyone is entitled to an opinion. But it's the weird preoccupation with pretending absolutely everything negative about leaving doesn't exist which is bizarre.

 

[Tubey]

I've given you the totals in cold hard cash above Esk, our biggest imports in order are from Germany, China, USA, Holland, France, Belguim, Italy, Spain, Ireland, Norway, Canada

EDIT: Phrased this terribly, so deleted. Brain tired.