Current Affairs EU In or Out

[NilSatisOptimum]

Baldrick would have a better plan

There has to be a meaningful vote on 14 Feb and there has to be a ratification bill. Plenty of opportunities for plan of change.
Corbyn is now entering the arena on the basis that May will respect the will of parliament, to rule out a no deal brexit, as per the Spelman amendment. I believe, in fact, the soft brexiters might have won, in a roundabout way.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

What sensible negotiation is Corbyn going to bring to the table, with the EU saying that negotiations are over?

Corbyn supports deal with assurances on workers rights, environmental protection, thats for May to change her side of the deal, and of course seat at the negotiating table to oversee and to keep things more civil.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I think they will crumble and Brexit will become a parody of itself

Can’t see that happening.

There’s no way the E.U. will throw ROI under the bus - no way! I think May has pandered to the right wing extremists of her party for too long. She actually needs to work now with Jezza to come up with a workable solution (call it a soft Brexit).

And she then needs to rally cross house support for it and then go to war against Reece mogg and his fascist rats.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So my understanding is that MPs last night voted in favour of amendments to brexit deal that they would vote through.

Except EU won't negotiate making the vote pointless and us no closer to an agreement?

That along the right lines? Voted for the impossible

Do a favour for a leaving member at the expense of an existing member. Surely not in the slightest bit delusional.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Corbyn supports deal with assurances on workers rights, environmental protection, thats for May to change her side of the deal, and of course seat at the negotiating table to oversee and to keep things more civil.

What workers rights? He's quite keen on removing our right to work in 27 other countries. What precisely is he trying to retain that May isn't?

 

[peteblue]

Ere tis.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...d-britain-should-vote-again-says-jurgen-klopp

Klopp should mind his own business....

 

[peteblue]

A lot of people don't think vaccines are safe as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/da...-knowledgeable-european-union-basic-questions

Brits were among the least knowledgeable about the EU in Europe. Of course, this knowledge is fixed in its rubbish position and heaven forbid we should ever try to actually improve that knowledge and ask again. That would require minds to not be entirely shut, which the last few years have sadly shown to not be the case.

On both sides of the argument.....

 

[peteblue]

People may start to believe in Project Fear, when some of the doomsday prophecies actually happen. They were supposed to start the day after the referendum if the result 'wasn't the right one'. Apart from a fall in the value of sterling, not much else has happened.

Just today, in the Daily Mail, Brexit is going to cause a massive increase in strokes and heart attacks. There is an endless stream of far fetched, nightmare type scenarios intended to terrify people into changing the mind. Why not just focus on the positives of EU membership instead of endless fear mongering?

Because no one can tell us what they are, I’ve asked and got nothing back.....

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

So after yesterday what is the incentive for the EU to renegotiate the deal?, none, nadda, zilch, thanks but no thanks.

Why?, because they want us to stay in the EU, and because they know there is clear momentum that if it comes down to it no deal will be ruled against by our parliament, the EU if they want to reverse brexit, should hold firm now and they may very well get what they wanted all along.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

On both sides of the argument.....

Quite probably. I've never been one advocating for the holiness of the 'will of the people' as though it's some paragon of wisdom.

Because no one can tell us what they are, I’ve asked and got nothing back.....

Probably because it's designed to be something for you to take pot shots at rather than say why leaving it would be a wonderful thing. As you know, I value free movement enormously, and that has significantly supported culture, science, tourism and trade across Europe. The conversion of standards and regulation has made trade straightforward, thus boosting the economy of the continent significantly. These standards have been especially useful in areas such as energy, medicines, travel and IT. Cooperation across the continent is vital for tackling a wide range of issues that simply can't be tackled in isolation, from international crime to climate change. Projects such as Horizon2020 and Erasmus have been enormously beneficial, as have projects like the European Institute for Innovation & Technology and the European Investment Bank. Being able to gain access to basic social protections such as pensions and healthcare anywhere on the continent are tremendous advantages for Europeans, as are seemingly simple things like the removal of data roaming.

I'm sure there are probably actual studies into this far from exhaustive list, but leave voters don't give a crap about studies so my anecdotal, back of an envelope list will no doubt be held in the highest regard.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

What workers rights? He's quite keen on removing our right to work in 27 other countries. What precisely is he trying to retain that May isn't?

He voted remain, so where you get he is keen to remove the rights of working in 27 countries, but that's been then issue with many in remain they peddle in mistruth as much as leave. Two wrongs don't make it right.

From rising homelessness to families relying on food banks and public services collapsing under Tory cuts, to the rise in Zero hour contracts it’s no surprise that the United Nations’ envoy recently described Mays policies as ‘a social calamity and an economic disaster.’

Working rights , lot of what May promises about working rights being protected is non binding! So factor in context from the above, I don't trust May or her party as far as I can throw them.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

I'm also sick to death of Labour MP's going on TV as they have been this morning and for the last few months, and banging on about they would get this deal, they would get that deal, absolute bollocks, maybe if we rewind 2 years, but absolutely no chance now.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

He voted remain, so where you get he is keen to remove the rights of working in 27 countries, but that's been then issue with many in remain they peddle in mistruth as much as leave. Two wrongs don't make it right.

From rising homelessness to families relying on food banks and public services collapsing under Tory cuts, to the rise in Zero hour contracts it’s no surprise that the United Nations’ envoy recently described Mays policies as ‘a social calamity and an economic disaster.’

Working rights , lot of what May promises about working rights being protected is non binding! So factor in context from the above, I don't trust May or her party as far as I can throw them.

Because he has been just as adamant that free movement will end as May has. As per my previous question though, what workers right that is currently protected by our EU membership does he want to retain? I have a suspicion it's a catch all term he throws out there to show how man of the people he is when he knows full well people won't quiz him on it any more than people question leave supporters on precisely what regulations they want to be 'freed' from. If we want better politicians we have to be better than lemmings who will swallow whatever our 'tribe' tells us.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I'm also sick to death of Labour MP's going on TV as they have been this morning and for the last few months, and banging on about they would get this deal, they would get that deal, absolute bollocks, maybe if we rewind 2 years, but absolutely no chance now.

Good chance of article 50 being extended and of course better still a Labour government! So all to play for.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Because he has been just as adamant that free movement will end as May has. As per my previous question though, what workers right that is currently protected by our EU membership does he want to retain? I have a suspicion it's a catch all term he throws out there to show how man of the people he is when he knows full well people won't quiz him on it any more than people question leave supporters on precisely what regulations they want to be 'freed' from. If we want better politicians we have to be better than lemmings who will swallow whatever our 'tribe' tells us.

He will do what my Union and I tell him to do! Collective lemmings are louder, than individual lemmings who incidentally end up wondering off the cliff edge because of a bonfire regulations their individualism brought about, but at least they did it all by themselves.