Current Affairs EU In or Out

[tsubaki]

Really? I don't get that when people say they don't mind Klopp, I want to put my foot through the telly the minute I see the gurning little sugar puff toothed face rat, coupled with his fashion sense he copied off an episode of to catch a predator, the kopite freak

Watch that YouTube clip where Rodgers explains his tactical beliefs to a gaggle of RS; Klopp has never been as annoying as that.

Also that picture of him staring at that journalists rack.

 

[roydo]

We accept the result - ball punched into the net - yet the Brexit vote,,,, not accepted by some on here......
I don't mind them objecting to it but a good few want it reversing hence my quote.......

Yeah, thats just the same thing.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Ok, you win the internet and get a new hard border, are you happy......

Oh don't take my word for it. Here's the President of the European Commission today:

'European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has told Theresa May there would be no reopening of the Irish backstop or the Withdrawal Agreement, a senior EU source has told RTÉ News. The source said that Mr Juncker conveyed to the British Prime Minister in a phone call at midday Brussels time that it would be fruitless for her to come to Brussels on the basis of an attempt to reopen the Withdrawal Agreement.'

All this messing about with amendments in the HOC is a complete waste of time. It's time to get real.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

A new website by UKR&I encouraging companies currently receiving Horizon2020 funding to register - https://apply-for-innovation-funding.service.gov.uk/eu-grant/overview

 

[Mr. White]

To paraphrase, a democratic vote isnt really democratic unless everyone is aware of the facts before they vote, that a ruptured Europe/UK will be a breeding ground for the far right, "Which we are already seeing here and in the EU", and in a global trading market we are safer and stronger with the UK in the EU.

Well, Mr.Klopp doesn't sound very democratic to me!

How do you know how knowledgeable each and every voter is? Do you test the knowledge of every eligible voter before a referendum? And where do you draw the line? Do you extend this principle to general elections and local elections. Do you start to exclude voters if they are not clever enough? Before you know it, a whole section of society is excluded from democracy. That's not democratic either.

As for the whole "people didn't know what they were voting for", "people didn't know difficult it would be", so "lets have another vote now people understand better" type arguments, the government made it explicitly clear how difficult it would be. This is from the leaflet that they posted through everyone's letterbox before the vote.

"What happens if we leave?
Voting to leave the EU would create years of uncertainty and potential economic disruption. This would reduce investment and cost jobs.24

The government judges it could result in 10 years or more of uncertainty as the UK unpicks our relationship with the EU and renegotiates new arrangements with the EUand over 50 other countries around the world.25

Some argue that we could strike a good deal quickly with the EU because they want to keep access to our market.

But the government’s judgement is that it would be much harder than that – less than 8% of EU exports come to the UK while 44% of UK exports go to the EU.26

No other country has managed to secure significant access to the single market, without having to:

• follow EU rules over which they have no real say
• pay into the EU
• accept EU citizens living and working in their country 27’28

A more limited trade deal with the EU would give the UK less access to the single market than we have now – including for services, which make up almost 80% of the UK economy.29 For example, Canada’s deal with the EU will give limited access for services,30 it has so far been 7 years in the making and is still not in force."

And this has turned out to be rather accurate! Everybody was told how difficult it would be, yet 17.4m voters thought it would be worth it.

 

[roydo]

Well, Mr.Klopp doesn't sound very democratic to me!

How do you know how knowledgeable each and every voter is? Do you test the knowledge of every eligible voter before a referendum? And where do you draw the line? Do you extend this principle to general elections and local elections. Do you start to exclude voters if they are not clever enough? Before you know it, a whole section of society is excluded from democracy. That's not democratic either.

As for the whole "people didn't know what they were voting for", "people didn't know difficult it would be", so "lets have another vote now people understand better" type arguments, the government made it explicitly clear how difficult it would be. This is from the leaflet that they posted through everyone's letterbox before the vote.

"What happens if we leave?
Voting to leave the EU would create years of uncertainty and potential economic disruption. This would reduce investment and cost jobs.24

The government judges it could result in 10 years or more of uncertainty as the UK unpicks our relationship with the EU and renegotiates new arrangements with the EUand over 50 other countries around the world.25

Some argue that we could strike a good deal quickly with the EU because they want to keep access to our market.

But the government’s judgement is that it would be much harder than that – less than 8% of EU exports come to the UK while 44% of UK exports go to the EU.26

No other country has managed to secure significant access to the single market, without having to:

• follow EU rules over which they have no real say
• pay into the EU
• accept EU citizens living and working in their country 27’28

A more limited trade deal with the EU would give the UK less access to the single market than we have now – including for services, which make up almost 80% of the UK economy.29 For example, Canada’s deal with the EU will give limited access for services,30 it has so far been 7 years in the making and is still not in force."

And this has turned out to be rather accurate! Everybody was told how difficult it would be, yet 17.4m voters thought it would be worth it.

Was just saying what Klopp said. And that I agreed with him.

And worth what?

 

[Mr. White]

Roydo, I haven't heard or read what Klopp said exactly, I've only read your snippet of information. My comment was aimed at his idea and assumption that some people 'don't know all the facts', so the vote is not democratic and therefore void.

By 'worth it', i simply meant that we were all made aware that it would be extremely difficult to negotiate a quick deal with the EU, and as a result, there could be years of disruption. So leavers voted for the longer term benefits.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Well, Mr.Klopp doesn't sound very democratic to me!

How do you know how knowledgeable each and every voter is? Do you test the knowledge of every eligible voter before a referendum? And where do you draw the line? Do you extend this principle to general elections and local elections. Do you start to exclude voters if they are not clever enough? Before you know it, a whole section of society is excluded from democracy. That's not democratic either.

As for the whole "people didn't know what they were voting for", "people didn't know difficult it would be", so "lets have another vote now people understand better" type arguments, the government made it explicitly clear how difficult it would be. This is from the leaflet that they posted through everyone's letterbox before the vote.

"What happens if we leave?
Voting to leave the EU would create years of uncertainty and potential economic disruption. This would reduce investment and cost jobs.24

The government judges it could result in 10 years or more of uncertainty as the UK unpicks our relationship with the EU and renegotiates new arrangements with the EUand over 50 other countries around the world.25

Some argue that we could strike a good deal quickly with the EU because they want to keep access to our market.

But the government’s judgement is that it would be much harder than that – less than 8% of EU exports come to the UK while 44% of UK exports go to the EU.26

No other country has managed to secure significant access to the single market, without having to:

• follow EU rules over which they have no real say
• pay into the EU
• accept EU citizens living and working in their country 27’28

A more limited trade deal with the EU would give the UK less access to the single market than we have now – including for services, which make up almost 80% of the UK economy.29 For example, Canada’s deal with the EU will give limited access for services,30 it has so far been 7 years in the making and is still not in force."

And this has turned out to be rather accurate! Everybody was told how difficult it would be, yet 17.4m voters thought it would be worth it.

A lot of people don't think vaccines are safe as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/da...-knowledgeable-european-union-basic-questions

Brits were among the least knowledgeable about the EU in Europe. Of course, this knowledge is fixed in its rubbish position and heaven forbid we should ever try to actually improve that knowledge and ask again. That would require minds to not be entirely shut, which the last few years have sadly shown to not be the case.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Roydo, I haven't heard or read what Klopp said exactly, I've only read your snippet of information. My comment was aimed at his idea and assumption that some people 'don't know all the facts', so the vote is not democratic and therefore void.

By 'worth it', i simply meant that we were all made aware that it would be extremely difficult to negotiate a quick deal with the EU, and as a result, there could be years of disruption. So leavers voted for the longer term benefits.

Which is it? In this thread such concerns are regularly dismissed as 'project fear', so which is it? Are such threats nonsense and you really do believe the milk and honey fantasies, or do you believe the threats and think they're worth it?

 

[Mr. White]

Bruce, what a terrible example to quote! A survey of three trivial questions that don't ask much of anything. And did you read the comments? Even Guardian readers mocked this 'survey'!!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce, what a terrible example to quote! A survey of three trivial questions that don't ask much of anything. And did you read the comments? Even Guardian readers mocked this 'survey'!!

Similar ignorance has been shown about topics such as immigration.

 

[Mr. White]

Which is it? In this thread such concerns are regularly dismissed as 'project fear', so which is it? Are such threats nonsense and you really do believe the milk and honey fantasies, or do you believe the threats and think they're worth it?

People may start to believe in Project Fear, when some of the doomsday prophecies actually happen. They were supposed to start the day after the referendum if the result 'wasn't the right one'. Apart from a fall in the value of sterling, not much else has happened.

Just today, in the Daily Mail, Brexit is going to cause a massive increase in strokes and heart attacks. There is an endless stream of far fetched, nightmare type scenarios intended to terrify people into changing the mind. Why not just focus on the positives of EU membership instead of endless fear mongering?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I was a war .....

lollolPossibly by favourite ever post on this forum. Well in joey lad

 

[Frang]

not a good night for remainers

@Joey66

no deal exit looks more and more likely on march 29th

 

[Joey66]

lollolPossibly by favourite ever post on this forum. Well in joey lad

It was an error the tephone rang it was supposed to be about Blair being responsible for the Irag war - doh