Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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peteblue said:
You haven’t a clue do you. It will be changed. The language will accommodate all parties, but it will be changed......
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Tempted to agree with you for two reasons:

1. The EU have form in making last minute changes to deals that were meant to be fully negotiated.

2. It would seem insane of May to whip her own party to vote for an amendment, which would fundamentally finish her own deal, unless she had a pretty solid idea that there was flexibility there.

However:

1- The EU have been so clear on their red lines that I just don’t see how they can bend on this without selling Ireland (a member state) down the river.

2- It seems daft to give May credit for any kind of tactical acumen. She’s an idiot.

So I think you are probably wrong.
 
So, I was right about the vote, and May can now negotiate with the EU. Obviously they will announce that nothing can change, then a subtle amendment will be made that satisfies the Commons and the EU. The ROI will be told to keep quiet......as I predicted......
 
Anders_Limpar said:
Tempted to agree with you for two reasons:

1. The EU have form in making last minute changes to deals that were meant to be fully negotiated.

2. It would seem insane of May to whip her own party to vote for an amendment, which would fundamentally finish her own deal, unless she had a pretty solid idea that there was flexibility there.

However:

1- The EU have been so clear on their red lines that I just don’t see how they can bend on this without selling Ireland (a member state) down the river.

2- It seems daft to give May credit for any kind of tactical acumen. She’s an idiot.

So I think you are probably wrong.
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Trust me on this. It’s the EU we are talking about. They will go along with May, the language will change slightly and the ROI will receive additional funding for farming or drinking beer or whatever.....
 
peteblue said:
Trust me on this. It’s the EU we are talking about. They will go along with May, the language will change slightly and the ROI will receive additional funding for farming or drinking beer or whatever.....
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Don’t think so.

If anything we’ve now proved ourselves to be an unreliable negotiating partner (and this is just the withdrawal agreement not the actual deal). May agreed something with them and is now going to go back to fundamentally change a key part of it.

I don’t think they are going to give her the time of day. Then the telegraph, the mail, the erg (and the likes of yourself) can fulminate with rage at the EU and the injustice of it all. Which I guess is what May does want, everyone to be angry with the EU and not her and her party.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
We'll just ignore the dumbos from the best university in our fair city however. Whadda they know?
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The Imperial College of London was on Belgian television today. They were talking about the 'brexodus', I didn't invent that word, they did: something about the recent high number of European scientists leaving the U.K. because of the atmosphere and explaining how they are going to struggle to continue to play in the Champion League of science. Wasn't only related to the E.U tbf; e.g :there was also the head of the U.K. dementia research institute; explaining how difficult it is to get a non-EU top notch researcher (the example he gave was an Indian post doc for a limited time period - the guy in question wasn't able to get a visa). A result of the tightening of the migration policy in recent years etc...

According to them it's becoming difficult to persuade foreign talent to join them, because in all honesty, they can no longer give them the confidence to go there, since they don't know if they can honestly claim that - beyond the science circles- the country will still be a welcoming environment and if in five years time they will be able to look them straight into the eye. No happy people there.
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
At this moment Pete I would take a renegotiated deal (minus backstop) over a no deal.

It’s now a game of high stakes poker. Will the E.U. climb down?

I hope so but I fear they won’t
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I think they will. They have everything to lose and nothing to gain, apart from upsetting the ROI.

Like you I would take a renegotiated deal, without the backstop, but nothing less.....
 
Armel said:
The Imperial College of London was on Belgian television today. They were talking about the 'brexodus', I didn't invent that word, they did: something about the recent high number of European scientists leaving the U.K. because of the atmosphere and explaining how they are going to struggle to continue to play in the Champion League of science. Wasn't only related to the E.U tbf; e.g :there was also the head of the U.K. dementia research institute; explaining how difficult it is to get a non-EU top notch researcher (the example he gave was an Indian post doc for a limited time period - the guy in question wasn't able to get a visa). A result of the tightening of the migration policy in recent years etc...

According to them it's becoming difficult to persuade foreign talent to join them, because in all honesty, they can no longer give them the confidence to go there, since they don't know if they can honestly claim that - beyond the science circles- the country will still be a welcoming environment and if in five years time they will be able to look them straight into the eye. No happy people there.
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And then we will reduce personal taxation, improve scientific research grants and they’ll all come back....it’s not hard tbh....
 
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