Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

If anything ever justified the need for the backstop then tonight does.

How......

 

[peteblue]

So, just to summarise....

 

[thirdmantackle]

How......

You cannot trust the Brita
The government negotiated a deal
The MPs won't back it
But won't vote May out

 

[peteblue]

You cannot trust the Brita
The government negotiated a deal
The MPs won't back it
But won't vote May out

You need to move out from the past. Britain only wants the best for the ROI, but you are like the surly child that hates its big brother, the mp’s are now back in their boxes, the conservative Remainer judean front will be sorted and we’ll do well..

 

[Khalekan]

There's no way. Even a General Election is more likely than that.

If in late Feb May indicates that's what is happening, Corbyn would field a no confidence motion and it'd pass with help from Remainer Tories and even the DUP. A50 would then be delayed.

'No Deal' has been a non-starter since the beginning of all this. It'd an idle threat.

No way the DUP are voting against a No Deal or siding with Corbyn in a No Confidence vote.

 

[tim cahill]

I think they will. They have everything to lose and nothing to gain, apart from upsetting the ROI.

Like you I would take a renegotiated deal, without the backstop, but nothing less.....

It’s frustrating that the government (and others) don’t seem to understand that the EU can’t give way on the backstop.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Why ?.....just explain why.....

Tusk (this evening):

"The backstop is part of the Withdrawal Agreement, and the Withdrawal Agreement is not open for re-negotiation."

I'll repeat it however many times you want, because you just don't seem to be getting the message.

 

[Armel]

And then we will reduce personal taxation, improve scientific research grants and they’ll all come back....it’s not hard tbh....

No a lot of them probably won't, it's not about the money. It's about the sentiment of not being welcome as a foreign person. You can't change that with offering money etc... They are academics, not bankers (no offence to the resident GoT bankers).

No amount of money will counter-act all the nationalistic/insulting propaganda. As I said before; other nationalities read that too. They weren't convinced about improving/maintaining the current scientific grants btw (a promise by the current British government); since they were quite certain that no-deal would plunge the U.K. into a recession.

Would you go and live somewhere where you know that you're probably not exactly welcome? I know I wouldn't, regardless of the money.

I'm not talking about you btw, more in general, so no offence intended to you.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

But that EU never gave us nuffink!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No a lot of them probably won't, it's not about the money. It's about the sentiment of not being welcome as a foreign person. You can't change that with offering money etc... They are academics, not bankers (no offence to the resident GoT bankers).

No amount of money will counter-act all the nationalistic/insulting propaganda. As I said before; other nationalities read that too. They weren't convinced about improving/maintaining the current scientific grants btw (a promise by the current British government); since they were quite certain that no-deal would plunge the U.K. into a recession.

Would you go and live somewhere where you know that you're probably not exactly welcome? I know I wouldn't, regardless of the money.

I'm not talking about you btw, more in general, so no offence intended to you.

Indeed. These are generally among the most mobile people in the world, and their talents are in demand by pretty much every major economy. Most sensible ones are rolling out the red carpet and making it as easy as possible, and you would think a Tory government would accept the economic argument for a mobile workforce, but they've been over-run by swivel eyed loons who are scared of foreigners.

@peteblue, you mentioned previously that the partners of your children haven't experienced much discrimination, which is nice, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. As a nurse, my wife is in contact with the whole strata of society, and there have been the full gambit from going home comments to general anti-immigrant rhetoric (oh but not you dear, the others...), plus of course reading the news where the government openly want to create a hostile environment (and I hope you yourself remember your hostility when Sadiq Khan used the fireworks to remind Europeans living in London that they're welcome and cherished!). We're visiting the in-laws this week and yesterday she gave a talk at the local nursing college on what the NHS is like, and suffice to say she didn't mention anything about such a hostile environment. Maybe loyalty only goes one way huh?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

People may start to believe in Project Fear, when some of the doomsday prophecies actually happen. They were supposed to start the day after the referendum if the result 'wasn't the right one'. Apart from a fall in the value of sterling, not much else has happened.

Just today, in the Daily Mail, Brexit is going to cause a massive increase in strokes and heart attacks. There is an endless stream of far fetched, nightmare type scenarios intended to terrify people into changing the mind. Why not just focus on the positives of EU membership instead of endless fear mongering?

https://www.bath.ac.uk/announcements/more-unites-us-than-divides-us-say-researchers/

People’s perception of difference between these groups (British and foreigners) is around 70%, whereas the reality is only 12%. Similar findings have emerged in areas such as prevalence of crime, number of migrants, and the impact of migrants on society. In short, the public are usually well out of whack with reality.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

When is this deity awful PM going to go, she hangs round like a rancid curry fart. Clinging desperately on to power, going on on with her deal which is better than no deal, kicking the can on and on. Now she is to rework the wording of her deal, pointless.
At least no deal was passed, not legal directive but an important step for Parliament and now allows Corbyn to intervene, bring some sensible negotiation to the arena, rather than just table thumping rule Britannia dog whistling Tories.

 

[thirdmantackle]

Baldrick would have a better plan

 

[Kenshin]

So my understanding is that MPs last night voted in favour of amendments to brexit deal that they would vote through.

Except EU won't negotiate making the vote pointless and us no closer to an agreement?

That along the right lines? Voted for the impossible

 

[zzr45]

When is this deity awful PM going to go, she hangs round like a rancid curry fart. Clinging desperately on to power, going on on with her deal which is better than no deal, kicking the can on and on. Now she is to rework the wording of her deal, pointless.
At least no deal was passed, not legal directive but an important step for Parliament and now allows Corbyn to intervene, bring some sensible negotiation to the arena, rather than just table thumping rule Britannia dog whistling Tories.

What sensible negotiation is Corbyn going to bring to the table, with the EU saying that negotiations are over?