Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Anders_Limpar]

It was the ECJ rulings on two cases
Laval and Ruffert I was referring to in earlier post as why I am against them

Think there are lots of liberal reasons to dislike the EU and ECJ, they are by no means perfect institutions.

Problem though is that Brexit is a right wing project, ran by a right wing government, who have gleefully exposed the poorest in this country to austerity for the last 10 years. The replacement laws and standards dreamt up by the shower in charge at the moment are going to be far far worse for the working men and women of the UK.

The main reason why the case for Lexit has never made any sense to me.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Labour and the conservatives were both voted in with 80 percent of the electorate on manefestoes of leaving the EU in the last GE - the Remain parties did woefully in that GE standing on the Remain stance i.e. Staying in the EU!

That is a twisted argument Joey. The Lib Dems have been wiped out due to their toxic link up with the Tories and people aren't going to vote in the Green Party to government. There was no viable choice at the election, it was leave or leave but hoping that one of them could come up with a decent plan.

 

[Joey66]

That is a twisted argument Joey. The Lib Dems have been wiped out due to their toxic link up with the Tories and people aren't going to vote in the Green Party to government. There was no viable choice at the election, it was leave or leave but hoping that one of them could come up with a decent plan.

So you trust Vice cable who sold off the post office for peanuts over the EU decision they are the biggest Remain party they are neck and neck with a demised UKIP in the polls ATM......

 

[The binman chronicles]

So you trust Vice cable who sold off the post office for peanuts over the EU decision they are the biggest Remain party they are neck and neck with a demised UKIP in the polls ATM......

Whether I trust them or not doesn't matter a jot. Your point was that nearly everyone voted for parties that promoted brexit. Well as no one has faith in the LD's, the population had the choice of voting for the Greens or an Independent or a nationalist party if you happen to live in one of those areas. So my point is that the electorate didn't have a choice. If there had been a difference in policy between the two main parties then we might have seen that shift between leavers and remainers in the election.

 

[peteblue]

Except the prospect of “riots” and “violence” is being bigged up by people from the Brexit lobby.

and regarding “worthless” votes......that is how Brexiteers regard the 16 million who voted Remain.

And there is your problem right there......we refuse to be ignored nor see our votes regarded as worthless.

Which is why some kind of deal which has general consensus needs to be found.

Brexit as it stands and the arrogance and belligerence of them as espouses it is making this country a very unhappy place.

Actually it only ever seems to be you that keeps doing this......

 

[Ruairi77]

Actually it only ever seems to be you that keeps doing this......

and the fred perry neon nazis screaming at remainers.

 

[peteblue]

It's always fascinated me the way British people and Continental Europeans think so differently about the EU. I remember reading a piece about a commemoration for 70 years since the start of WW 1 and something to do with the setting up of the EEC, where Mitterrand and Helmut Kohl embraced each other and held hands for a minute or two afterwards. Thatcher was there also and couldn't understand what this was all about.

Countries that have had to live under occupation either by Nazi's or Communist and have seen horrendous persecution first hand and so seemed to have a much greater need or want for the European project to succeed and stay together to prevent the continent sleepwalking itself into war again.

While Britain suffered the blitz and had many many casualties of war, it didn't, thankfully, suffer the horrors of occupation.

The U.K. tends to commemorate the end of conflict not the beginning.....

 

[peteblue]

and the fred perry neon nazis screaming at remainers.

I meant in here.....

 

[tim cahill]

Look up posted workers directive.
Corbyn gave a speech on it this week
The re flagging of ships to Malta and its effect on the labour market, if you from Liverpool look up the company that runs the ferry to Ireland for reference to how that works in practice.
The treatment of the working class on Greece, Spain ect
There are many reasons , but as you have said you haven't heard any there are a few
I don't like.
None on there own that maybe worth leaving over, but part of bigger picture to myself
It really wouldn't matter how many I put down as we have different views , but thought it good manners to reply as it seemed be frustrating you.
Look up the Laval and rufferd rulings from the EU courts might be spelled wrong as I am dyslexic.but Google will get you there.

What is your issue with the posted workers directive? I know that has been updated since the referendum so i’m not sure if that problem has already been solved. The Laval and Ruffert rulings are clearly complex, I can see why how they can be interpreted negatively but the detail is significant i’m sure and it’s an area i’m happy to leave to those better qualified than me like those in the ECJ who generally seem to support workers rights. Spain an Greece have suffered due to their weak economies rather than as a consequence of the EU imo. We are fortunate as things stand in terms of our economy, but we are putting that at risk with Brexit. Regarding the flagging out ships to Malta. I’m not sure what the issue is.

But thanks for the response anyway.

 

[summerisle]

Of course it should surprise no one that that QT audience appeared to contain a large number of Leave voters, or that (according to reports) both Fiona Bruce and the BBC floor manager made jokes at Abbott’s expense during the warm up or even that one of the fellow panellists was a journalist that put one source in prison, who went around circulating a fib (an amusing fib nonetheless) about the then PM with no proof whatsoever and who sat on actual proof of wrongdoing by Leave during the referendum, so should be no more likely than a can of Fray Bentos to find herself on the BBC’s premier debate show.

That Abbott though, what a disgrace, have you seen what she said about white people, she only got that job etc etc

 

[Joey66]

Whether I trust them or not doesn't matter a jot. Your point was that nearly everyone voted for parties that promoted brexit. Well as no one has faith in the LD's, the population had the choice of voting for the Greens or an Independent or a nationalist party if you happen to live in one of those areas. So my point is that the electorate didn't have a choice. If there had been a difference in policy between the two main parties then we might have seen that shift between leavers and remainers in the election.

It will be interesting to see what Labour put in their next manifesto then that's why Corbyn is dodging the people's vote, and not pushing it much as over 4 million Labour voters like myself voted for Brexit.....

 

[Ruairi77]

I meant in here.....

there'll be plenty flipping over their keyboards and all sorts of other madness

 

[The binman chronicles]

It will be interesting to see what Labour put in their next manifesto then that's why Corbyn is dodging the people's vote, and not pushing it much as over 4 million Labour voters like myself voted for Brexit.....

Indeed and that is why he has all them splinters up his arse from sitting on the fence not to upset one side or the other. He will hope May gets it all done and then fight from the opposite side. If brexit was a disaster then it's the Tories fault, if it was too soft, then it will be they didn't deliver the brexit that people voted for.

 

[Joey66]

Indeed and that is why he has all them splinters up his arse from sitting on the fence not to upset one side or the other. He will hope May gets it all done and then fight from the opposite side. If brexit was a disaster then it's the Tories fault, if it was too soft, then it will be they didn't deliver the brexit that people voted for.

As much as I disagree with Keir Starmer that's who Labour need , and I would vote for in the next GE if he was Leader after Brexit....... I could not vote for Corbyn.... I just wont vote in a GE while he is there.......

 

[tsubaki]

The race card can be played as often as possible,but it doesn't hide the fact that she is as a politician,inept.The Tory party have Boris,Labour have her.

In another, more sane, world being the first black female MP, going to Cambridge, getting near the top of her party and increasing her majority at most elections might be considered evidence that she is not inept as a politician.