tim cahill
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What else is there to use as an indication of how people will vote?
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It could be argued big money the rich don't want any kind of Brexit though from day one........bar a few voices in the wilderness like Wetherspoons , Dyson , and JCB......
Alan Johnson last night on BBC this week reckons all his family voted remain and they will vote out after the behavior of MPs ...... so the is no guide TBH - I dont think the MPs could agree on the questions to go on a ballot paper......
and whatever the result it may cause trouble ..... either way..... again ......
It's always fascinated me the way British people and Continental Europeans think so differently about the EU. I remember reading a piece about a commemoration for 70 years since the start of WW 1 and something to do with the setting up of the EEC, where Mitterrand and Helmut Kohl embraced each other and held hands for a minute or two afterwards. Thatcher was there also and couldn't understand what this was all about.
Countries that have had to live under occupation either by Nazi's or Communist and have seen horrendous persecution first hand and so seemed to have a much greater need or want for the European project to succeed and stay together to prevent the continent sleepwalking itself into war again.
While Britain suffered the blitz and had many many casualties of war, it didn't, thankfully, suffer the horrors of occupation.
Countries that have had to live under occupation either by Nazi's or Communist and have seen horrendous persecution first hand and so seemed to have a much greater need or want for the European project to succeed and stay together to prevent the continent sleepwalking itself into war again.
While Britain suffered the blitz and had many many casualties of war, it didn't, thankfully, suffer the horrors of occupation.
on the final vote .....
Gwladysstreetlad
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And who keeps giving air time to Farrarge? The media who seek to devide the country. I dont know anyone who voted leave who did so based on what Fararge had to say, obviously there are some out there but I've yet to meet any of them. I think Remainers bizarrely pay more attention to Farrarge then leavers do.
It won't kick off full stop. It's fear mongering from anyone to suggest otherwise.
As far as the "will of the people" goes, well we've already seen that it counts for absolutely nothing in this country.
You would more than likely get a march or something nothing much.
The real problems will be in the ballot box , with whomever taps into the resentment.
That's were the real danger will come from.
Except the prospect of “riots” and “violence” is being bigged up by people from the Brexit lobby.
and regarding “worthless” votes......that is how Brexiteers regard the 16 million who voted Remain.
And there is your problem right there......we refuse to be ignored nor see our votes regarded as worthless.
Which is why some kind of deal which has general consensus needs to be found.
Brexit as it stands and the arrogance and belligerence of them as espouses it is making this country a very unhappy place.
Gwladysstreetlad
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Oh you can't be serious? You think that respecting the majority and upholding the vote is the same as treating the minority as worthless?
When a vote of any kind takes place it's generally accepted that the will of the side that wins has to take priority and count just a little bit more then the side that lost. I'm sorry but that's how these things work. Your vote counted but it wasn't enough as you were outnumbered. Had remain won and leavers been making the same argument as you I'd say the same.
As for the treat of violence being bigged up by the "Brexit lobby" I'd like to know why you care what they have to say? I don't. A couple of no-mark politicians and activists won't convince me with their childish fear mongering.
TBF most Ukipers of any note have left the party since Tommy Robinson's involvement, and that's where the danger may come from also there is I have heard on LBC a growth of the far right online is growing fast extremist etc which is very worrying imo.....
tim cahill
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Of course it counts for something. The government has spent 2 1/2 years trying to get a decent deal but no one likes it. At this point people should realise that this has been a big mistake. But so many are driven by a desire to be right and don’t want to feel that they’ve been conned into voting against their own interests.
It’s like deciding to drive down a road and persisting because of pride even when it’s clear that it’s heading over the edge of a cliff.
Was reading there is something like 17% rise in votes for the far right in Europe at the moment, think it will be someone from the Tories myself Joe , thier membership has grown lately as UKIP has fallen , not saying they are all former kippers but a few will have been, easier to get power that way if the vet the right man, woman.
I was thinking more on the lines of the EDL etc .....
For sure, I don't doubt that perhaps most of us decide things in an irrational manner. If the level of feeling on this topic is any indicator however, people do seem to grasp that this is pretty important, and logically we have so much more information today than we did two years ago. Pretty much the only reason people won't have updated their opinion (in whatever direction) is due to confirmation bias on a mass scale, and it's hard to countenance a decision of this magnitude being made with such defunct reasoning.
Carl O'Ancelotti
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I'm afraid there is a major hole in this argument.
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