Current Affairs EU In or Out

[tim cahill]

Has it gone through? Have we left? Has anything changed at all since the vote?

Sure, big speeches have been made by all sides but nothing real has actually happened other then the media having one long endless supply of often made up 'what if' stories.

Nothing whatsoever has changed since June 23rd 2016. We're still in the EU and less likely to leave then ever.

Yes, we’ve negotiated a deal with the EU. No one wants it.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

What valid reasons? I’m yet to hear any that make this mess worthwhile. The ones i’ve heard are all based on fear mongering.

With all due respect pal, what would be the point? I see no point in arguing about why people voted over two years ago with you when you've made it clear that you consider it all down to fear mongering. If you think it's all that simplistic then we'd both be wasting our time trying to sway each other because we couldn't see things more differently.

 

[tsubaki]

No chance of him winning the election......listening to Diane Abbott on QT earlier convinces me of that.

Of course it should surprise no one that that QT audience appeared to contain a large number of Leave voters, or that (according to reports) both Fiona Bruce and the BBC floor manager made jokes at Abbott’s expense during the warm up or even that one of the fellow panellists was a journalist that put one source in prison, who went around circulating a fib (an amusing fib nonetheless) about the then PM with no proof whatsoever and who sat on actual proof of wrongdoing by Leave during the referendum, so should be no more likely than a can of Fray Bentos to find herself on the BBC’s premier debate show.

That Abbott though, what a disgrace, have you seen what she said about white people, she only got that job etc etc

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Yes, we’ve negotiated a deal with the EU. No one wants it.

Our MP's don't want it. Just like they've never wanted Brexit full stop. Quell Suprise!

 

[Tubey]

But that's you're opinion. Not a fact. I know people who voted out for a whole variety of reasons and the vast, overwhelming majority of them were perfectly valid even if I didn't agree with them.

You talk about childish fear mongering being the reason we're having this problem as though we are they only country that are having doubts about the EU. There are plenty of valid reasons to have issues with the EU and putting them all down to fear mongering is as childish in itself.

Re: the bold bit - there most certainly are. The EU is far from perfect, even its' most ardent supporters will admit that.

But the question is whether those 'issues' are reason enough to jack it in and harm the country rather than attempt to reform it from within. As @tim cahill says, I'm yet to hear one, definitive reason why the UK will be better off leaving in terms of prosperity and opportunity for its' citizens in the future. You'll struggle to find a single credible projection saying we'll be worse off inside the EU.

 

[Tubey]

Of course it should surprise no one that that QT audience appeared to contain a large number of Leave voters, or that (according to reports) both Fiona Bruce and the BBC floor manager made jokes at Abbott’s expense during the warm up or even that one of the fellow panellists was a journalist that put one source in prison, who went around circulating a fib (an amusing fib nonetheless) about the then PM with no proof whatsoever and who sat on actual proof of wrongdoing by Leave during the referendum, so should be no more likely than a can of Fray Bentos to find herself on the BBC’s premier debate show.

That Abbott though, what a disgrace, have you seen what she said about white people, she only got that job etc etc

But she is legitimately terrible. You can talk anti-Labour bias and so on, but it doesn't take away the fact she's just awful.

 

[tsubaki]

With all due respect pal, what would be the point? I see no point in arguing about why people voted over two years ago with you when you've made it clear that you consider it all down to fear mongering. If you think it's all that simplistic then we'd both be wasting our time trying to sway each other because we couldn't see things more differently.

This is the thing though, the polls do not say that people will change their mind over Brexit because of project fear, or the chaos in the government.

The only thing (and it was 49% of the sample who said they would) that gets people to change their mind was if one side could be proved to have cheated. One side did cheat, and there is ample evidence to prove that -but you won’t hear that from the Government, or the nations broadcaster, or bizarrely enough from most of the politicians behind People’s Vote / Remain.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Re: the bold bit - there most certainly are. The EU is far from perfect, even its' most ardent supporters will admit that.

But the question is whether those 'issues' are reason enough to jack it in and harm the country rather than attempt to reform it from within. As @tim cahill says, I'm yet to hear one, definitive reason why the UK will be better off leaving in terms of prosperity and opportunity for its' citizens in the future. You'll struggle to find a single credible projection saying we'll be worse off inside the EU.

I'm past arguing if it's good or bad to leave it this point. That's been done to death over this and countless other threads and I'm sure you'd be as interested in my response as I'd be in giving it.

We won't leave anyway In the end imo and this entire farce will of been a colossal waste of time for everyone concerned.

 

[tsubaki]

But she is legitimately terrible. You can talk anti-Labour bias and so on, but it doesn't take away the fact she's just awful.

At times she appears to be, though before she became SHS she wasn’t (including on QT and especially that show with Brillo and Portillo) and I think a lot of it is down to media portrayal in that they actively seek to do it.

Whether they can justify that given that she is the most abused female political figure by a long way is a matter for them.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yes badly negotiated by a remainer PM .......

Who, lest we forget, was voted for by both her own party and then by the country.

 

[tsubaki]

Who, lest we forget, was voted for by both her own party and then by the country.

Elected unopposed in the first, and the less said about the second the better.

 

[Khalekan]

Of course it should surprise no one that that QT audience appeared to contain a large number of Leave voters, or that (according to reports) both Fiona Bruce and the BBC floor manager made jokes at Abbott’s expense during the warm up or even that one of the fellow panellists was a journalist that put one source in prison, who went around circulating a fib (an amusing fib nonetheless) about the then PM with no proof whatsoever and who sat on actual proof of wrongdoing by Leave during the referendum, so should be no more likely than a can of Fray Bentos to find herself on the BBC’s premier debate show.

That Abbott though, what a disgrace, have you seen what she said about white people, she only got that job etc etc

That may or may not be true.

But Abbott is just plain dreadful on TV and would inspire no one to vote Labour.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Elected unopposed in the first, and the less said about the second the better.

Oh for sure, she's been hopeless, I was merely countering Joe's accusation that we're in this situation because May is a 'remainer' rather than because she was given a largely impossible task. She beat all of the principle leave campaigners in the Tory party in the leadership campaign, and then crawled over the line in the general election. Given how much Joe bangs on about the will of the people, you'd think he'd accept that her being the figurehead for the negotiations he so adores, was in fact the 'will of the people' too.

 

[tim cahill]

With all due respect pal, what would be the point? I see no point in arguing about why people voted over two years ago with you when you've made it clear that you consider it all down to fear mongering. If you think it's all that simplistic then we'd both be wasting our time trying to sway each other because we couldn't see things more differently.

I’ll just chalk this down as another example of when i’ve asked someone for a good reason for us leaving the EU and they haven’t been able or willing to do so. Quell surprise!

 

[tim cahill]

Our MP's don't want it. Just like they've never wanted Brexit full stop. Quell Suprise!

Neither did the majority of brexiters.