Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Brennan said:
That’s just not true.

The justification for a second referendum is pretty simple, it’s based on the fact that a) the facts are now far more clearly laid out and b) there is no majority in parliament for how to proceed with Brexit.

The idea that giving the public another vote is somehow undemocratic is a non sequitur. It’s more democratic.

In reality the vast majority of those who are opposed to a second referendum aren’t opposed because of ‘democracy’. They’re opposed because it’s likely they’ll lose. Those people don’t actually want to listen to the will of the people anymore, as they got what they wanted three years ago.

So regardless of whether or not the facts have changed, or whether the public overall now has a different opinion, we’ll stick with the original vote and No deal, even if it’s terrible for the country.

“Democracy”
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I rarely venture into this thread, or comment, as it seems like a lot of banging heads getting nowhere and only achieving everyone getting riled up. I do agree with the sentiments of this post though.

We knew that we were voting to leave or stay in the EU during the referendum. That much is certain. Did we realise the actual consequences of that? No - we were lied, misled and misinformed by people who did it deliberately or through lack of foresight about the outcome. We know more what will happen now. This will have a huge negative impact on us, Europe and the World. I'd welcome a second referendum now. I am sure it can be sold to the British public now we are in greater possession of the facts of what is likely to happen.
 
OnlyBlueWillDo said:
There is not a PM in history that would not have walked after last night, even pigheaded Cameron would have done the honourable thing, I find it astonishing she is still leading her party.

She is making a mockery of how to govern this country.
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Cameron/honourable pick one.

You can say what you want about May but Cameron is in no way shape or form fit to lecture her or anyone else on being "honourable". At least she didn't run away from a situation she created unlike her predecessor.

We all know that Cameron would of walked since he was quite happy to do a disappearing act right after the the referendum that he called didn't go the way he wanted. He's a slimball with zero respect or decency, who's lower then a snakes belly. This farce begins with him doing his normal smear campaign in the 2015 election and offering a referendum to steal votes, only because he didn't believe for a second that he'd ever have to act on his promise. After winning, he prestents the most watered down, deliberately vague and horribly mismanaged referendum ever to be seen in a supposedly civilised nation and proceeded to fight yet another lazy smear campaign talking about everything other then the relevant facts. People talk about the lies that were told during the referendum, well that could of been prevented had Cameron spent half an hour when setting up the referendum to create some guidelines.

Then when it's all said and done, the dust has settled and the results are in what does the oh so "honourable" Cameron do when the results don't go his way? Does he live up to his responsibilities and uphold the referendum and do all the work that goes with it? Does he stand up, be a man and admit that he's made some colossal blunders, say that the referendum was a mistake to begin with and that he would be ignoring it based on the fact that it's not legally binding? No, he does none of that. He simply walks (or rather slithers) away like the slimy snake that he is. He's a disgusting, cowardly spineless shall of a man who wouldn't have the first clue about honour.
 
dublinbluenose said:
She has little option but seek a 2nd referendum at this stage.
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It would appear to be the only sensible option, but when have we seen our politicians display a modicum of sense over the past 2 years?

1. The country voted to leave
2. The Govt have failed to negotiate an acceptable leave deal
3. No deal is not an option - it would ruin our economy
4. No kind of tweaked soft-option brexit deal will be accepted by the majority in HOC (Too many fractured camps)
5. The politicians have failed the people - only option is to go back to the people with another referendum

option 1 Accept the current deal
option 2 leave with no deal
option 3 cancel brexit and remain in the EU
 
OnlyBlueWillDo said:
She is making a mockery of how to govern this country.
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She's been doing that from the second she got the job of PM, just like she made a mockery of the Home Secretary position while she blundered her way through that job too. She's an unbelievably incompetent woman, its beggars belief and a shockingly bad reflection on this country that she's been able to get such high profile positions.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
Cameron/honourable pick one.

You can say what you want about May but Cameron is in no way shape or form fit to lecture her or anyone else on being "honourable". At least she didn't run away from a situation she created unlike her predecessor.

We all know that Cameron would of walked since he was quite happy to do a disappearing act right after the the referendum that he called didn't go the way he wanted. He's a slimball with zero respect or decency, who's lower then a snakes belly. This farce begins with him doing his normal smear campaign in the 2015 election and offering a referendum to steal votes, only because he didn't believe for a second that he'd ever have to act on his promise. After winning, he prestents the most watered down, deliberately vague and horribly mismanaged referendum ever to be seen in a supposedly civilised nation and proceeded to fight yet another lazy smear campaign talking about everything other then the relevant facts. People talk about the lies that were told during the referendum, well that could of been prevented had Cameron spent half an hour when setting up the referendum to create some guidelines.

Then when it's all said and done, the dust has settled and the results are in what does the oh so "honourable" Cameron do when the results don't go his way? Does he live up to his responsibilities and uphold the referendum and do all the work that goes with it? Does he stand up, be a man and admit that he's made some colossal blunders, say that the referendum was a mistake to begin with and that he would be ignoring it based on the fact that it's not legally binding? No, he does none of that. He simply walks (or rather slithers) away like the slimy snake that he is. He's a disgusting, cowardly spineless shall of a man who wouldn't have the first clue about honour.
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As much as I dislike Cam's, it was the lib-dem's that insisted on the binary 'yes' /'no' vote apparently.
 
orchard said:
As much as I dislike Cam's, it was the lib-dem's that insisted on the binary 'yes' /'no' vote apparently.
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The lib-dems were in no position to demand anything at the time the referendum was called. They'd lost the vast bulk of their MP's and were in a freefall that they've still not recovered from. Even if that was the case, Cameron should of said that he couldn't call a referendum on those terms. Hell, that could of been his get out of jail free excuse to not keep his promise of the referendum.
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
It would appear to be the only sensible option, but when have we seen our politicians display a modicum of sense over the past 2 years?

1. The country voted to leave
2. The Govt have failed to negotiate an acceptable leave deal
3. No deal is not an option - it would ruin our economy
4. No kind of tweaked soft-option brexit deal will be accepted by the majority in HOC (Too many fractured camps)
5. The politicians have failed the people - only option is to go back to the people with another referendum

option 1 Accept the current deal
option 2 leave with no deal
option 3 cancel brexit and remain in the EU
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Option 1 is dead, it was killed last night. We now need a referendum with Options 2 and 3 on. At least people will have an idea what they are voting on, and it also gives certainty to business, as they know they would have to trade on WTO terms.
 
peteblue said:
The EU have a bit to think about tonight. Merely repeating that no deal hurts the U.K. more than the E.U. isn’t really going to cut it with the 27 nations....some of whom, like ROI, Germany and Holland will get severely burnt if there is no deal......
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They're a big organisation Pete - they can absorb the impact of a no deal Brexit. It will hurt them but they can and will deal with it. They won't change the deal as it stands. It's up to us to get our act together and quickly.

I believe the next step will be that May wins the vote today and jezza will then table a motion for a second referendum. He stands a chance of winning that vote, but it will be very close.
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
They're a big organisation Pete - they can absorb the impact of a no deal Brexit. It will hurt them but they can and will deal with it. They won't change the deal as it stands. It's up to us to get our act together and quickly.

I believe the next step will be that May wins the vote today and jezza will then table a motion for a second referendum. He stands a chance of winning that vote, but it will be very close.
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I don't think it will be close. All of Labour will vote for it, and if you listened to Farage last night he wants it as well, as he believes there would then be a clear mandate for "proper" Brexit as he would see it. This leads me to think Rees-Mogg and his ilk would vote for it as well.
 
hallamblue said:
I don't think it will be close. All of Labour will vote for it, and if you listened to Farage last night he wants it as well, as he believes there would then be a clear mandate for "proper" Brexit as he would see it. This leads me to think Rees-Mogg and his ilk would vote for it as well.
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Hopefully mate. However you're never quite sure what those rat-like politicians will do.
 
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