I totally concur.
But you are a funny guy, Joe.....that remark about “sheer panic in the EU” sure gave me a right arl lol
I bet they aren’t panicking half as much as the workers at the Nissan plant in Sunderland, though
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I totally concur.
But you are a funny guy, Joe.....that remark about “sheer panic in the EU” sure gave me a right arl lol
I bet they aren’t panicking half as much as the workers at the Nissan plant in Sunderland, though
Reported on Sky they were all called in to the EU parliament for crisis talks....I totally concur.
But you are a funny guy, Joe.....that remark about “sheer panic in the EU” sure gave me a right arl lol
I bet they aren’t panicking half as much as the workers at the Nissan plant in Sunderland, though
Ron Swanson
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Sovereignty, my dear boy. Article 50 can be withdrawn by a vote in parliament. That is how British democracy works - it doesn't require a plebiscite or even a general election. If parliament wants to withdraw it, they can.
Ron Swanson
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If we close our borders to car imports we can't really replace them with our own cars because we manufacture bugger all. Yes, we assemble a few Nissans, Toyotas, and Vauxhalls. And our gracious foreign owners have allowed us to keep making Minis, RR, Bentleys and JLRs here in a pretence that there's still such a thing as a mass-produced British car, but all of them source their parts from outside the UK. The British car assembly model is the Japanese JIT (Just in Time) and is only made possible through the EU's single market.
Take the mini, for example. Some parts travel 2000 miles across Europe, taking in 4 different countries, before being assembled. Some Bentley parts start in Eastern Europe, then travel to the UK, then to Germany and then back to the UK for assembly. Britain produces just 40% of the car parts used in its assembly plants.
People will still buy German and French cars after Brexit, they'll just have to pay more for them. Same as the ones built in the UK.
magicjuan
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And then you have Parliament going against the democratic process and the will of the people. Whichever move is made now has no positive outcome.
NilSatisOptimum
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Strange this Brexit lot, not so long ago, Gina Miller was a traitor but of course without her meaningful vote to give Parliament access to what Brexit should be. (corner stone of Brexit ideology Parlimentarian sovereignty on some days of the week) Mays compromise give away would have just been implemented long ago. Conclusion, Brexit is still no more than nebulous thoughts.
Corbyn challenge will fail, DUP have said so, however, Labour can challenge again and again unlike ERG.
Corbyn challenge will fail, DUP have said so, however, Labour can challenge again and again unlike ERG.
The sad thing is, I shared with Joe a detailed article on how Europeans are responding to this situation and he dismissed it as somethingorother (probably without even reading it). There are none so blind as those who shall not see.
gav1985
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Do you not think that given there was so much misinformation (by both sides it seems) that everybody should have the right to have a second vote now that they actually know what the vote is all about? I understand you should go with a vote result but people were so mislead by what has turned out to be complete fantasy.
My guess is that remain would win and that wouldn't be the worst thing to happen. Re visit the whole thing in a few years and see what everyone feels then? Perhaps with somebody in charge who is not a total biff?
That’s just not true.
The justification for a second referendum is pretty simple, it’s based on the fact that a) the facts are now far more clearly laid out and b) there is no majority in parliament for how to proceed with Brexit.
The idea that giving the public another vote is somehow undemocratic is a non sequitur. It’s more democratic.
In reality the vast majority of those who are opposed to a second referendum aren’t opposed because of ‘democracy’. They’re opposed because it’s likely they’ll lose. Those people don’t actually want to listen to the will of the people anymore, as they got what they wanted three years ago.
So regardless of whether or not the facts have changed, or whether the public overall now has a different opinion, we’ll stick with the original vote and No deal, even if it’s terrible for the country.
“Democracy”
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I don't think we ultimately know anymore now about life outside of the EU then we did before the referendum nor do I believe we have access to real facts anymore then we did then. All we've learned since June 23rd 2016 is that we're governed by the most incompetent, ineffective and corrupt morons to ever breath air as if that wasn't obvious already!
Having a second referendum is nothing more then an easy way around ignoring the first one. I can live with our government saying that they've decided after all this time to just ignore the referendum on the grounds that legally it was completely advisory as that would at least show some strength but having a second one now when the first was never even upheld in the first place is just utterly laughable.
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they have a [Poor language removed] load of legislation to enact if the UK are going to crash out
I think Ireland has at least 37 pieces of legislation it has to vote through
gav1985
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Don't disagree with anything you've said there tbh. I was just thinking out loud really and don't actually expect it to happen.
I do think if a second referendum did happen then the outcome would cause a great deal of unrest on both sides (result dependent). The whole thing is a giant mess and honestly cannot see how it is going to end. Ultimately we need to do one or the other because the longer we wait the more damage it is doing. I personally work in the quarrying industry and it is pretty dire at the moment...
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There is not a PM in history that would not have walked after last night, even pigheaded Cameron would have done the honourable thing, I find it astonishing she is still leading her party.
She is making a mockery of how to govern this country.
She is making a mockery of how to govern this country.
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Obviously she's been doing that for some time.
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