Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Khalekan]

I agree with you, but when the media as a whole have been courting Robinson, peddling the anti-Islam line and branding anyone who opposes this Brexit as a traitor you have to accept that a pro-Robinson, anti-Islam and anti-traitor party is likely to be boosted politically. They are after all the only place that gammon who are appalled by the PM can end up, if they keep voting.

What is “gammon”?

I have seen this term on several boards now.

 

[tsubaki]

What is “gammon”?

I have seen this term on several boards now.

edit: it is a joke by the way, though like all jokes it has its base in truth

 

[Harryflashman]

I agree with you, but when the media as a whole have been courting Robinson, peddling the anti-Islam line and branding anyone who opposes this Brexit as a traitor you have to accept that a pro-Robinson, anti-Islam and anti-traitor party is likely to be boosted politically. They are after all the only place that gammon who are appalled by the PM can end up, if they keep voting.

The media have behaved appalling over this whole Brexit issue and beyond really from calling judges traitors to not calling out obvious lies she just allowing them to be perpetuated. Even that ridiculous bloke talking about u boats on question time , somebody should have just told him to behave himself . Also on the likes of Robinson back to choudary the pursuit of balance gives this idiots a platform , I can even understand griffin being given a seat on QT they were an elected party but a media rent a gob without a mandate shouldn’t be indulged for ‘balance ‘

 

[Harryflashman]

What is “gammon”?

I have seen this term on several boards now.

Urban dictionary defines it as :

“A term used to describe a particular type of Brexit-voting, europhobic, middle-aged white male, whose meat-faced complexion suggests they are perilously close to a stroke.

The term 'gammon' is linked to the unhealthy pink skintone of such stout yeomen, probably because of high blood pressure caused by decades of 'PC gone mad', being defeated in arguments about the non-existent merits of Brexit and women getting the vote.

Gammon often make their appearance on BBC'sQuestion Time jabbing their porcine fingers at the camera while demanding immediate nuclear strikes against Remain-voting areas, people who eat vegetables and/or cyclists.”

 

[Khalekan]

Urban dictionary defines it as :

“A term used to describe a particular type of Brexit-voting, europhobic, middle-aged white male, whose meat-faced complexion suggests they are perilously close to a stroke.

The term 'gammon' is linked to the unhealthy pink skintone of such stout yeomen, probably because of high blood pressure caused by decades of 'PC gone mad', being defeated in arguments about the non-existent merits of Brexit and women getting the vote.

Gammon often make their appearance on BBC'sQuestion Time jabbing their porcine fingers at the camera while demanding immediate nuclear strikes against Remain-voting areas, people who eat vegetables and/or cyclists.”

Good man, Harry lol

 

[degsy]

IF there is a Brexit / Vote of Confidence General Election, what good will it do.

Are lifelong Lab or Con voters going to change parties based on a Brextit or remainer view.
If your prefered candidate is Brexit or Remainer AND gets re-elected will he or she stay true to there pre election Brexit or Remain or will they go with the party line...whatever that is

So what if anything will be achieved

Asking for friend.

 

[Harryflashman]

Farage on lbc peddling his usual leaving under WTO rules would be easy and the civil service are the enemy within lines . I understand people want Brexit I do get that but how they don’t hold him at least partially responsible for spinning the it’ll be easy and still perpetuating the same language I don’t understand.

 

[random]

Are lifelong Lab or Con voters going to change parties based on a Brextit or remainer view.

I would, will add that I am not a lifelong one party voter, I usually vote on the manifesto they are running on (or against a manifesto I disagree with), and over the years I have voted for nearly all the parties that have run in my constituency

If your prefered candidate is Brexit or Remainer AND gets re-elected will he or she stay true to there pre election Brexit or Remain or will they go with the party line...whatever that is

They had better, if I have no trust in an elected representative then they would never get my vote again.

 

[peteblue]

Say we do not pay the divorce settlement if we head down a no deal road, do you think there would be no consequences if we do that? We signed up to pay x amount into the EU, there will be legal ramifications off the back of it. So our credit rating will likely drop as we are a country that doesn't keep to its obligations. We then likely pay more interest on the national debt, we probably would never be able to borrow money from European banks. We would face a whole continent that would have a valid reason for trying to financially ruin us and you can forget a nice free trade deal later on down the line.

Doesn't sound like a great deal to me.

My comment was regarding a no deal. I never mentioned payment. If we genuinely owe money it should be paid....

 

[peteblue]

@Joey66 as a defender of democracy, how do you feel about my wife, and others like her, having their right to vote in local elections stripped from her?

Just out of interest Bruce, would anyone from the U.K. have a right to vote wherever your wife comes from ?....

 

[degsy]

I would, will add that I am not a lifelong one party voter, I usually vote on the manifesto they are running on (or against a manifesto I disagree with), and over the years I have voted for nearly all the parties that have run in my constituency



They had better, if I have no trust in an elected representative then they would never get my vote again.

Like they actually give a toss, if they can do it without getting rumbled they will vote whats good for them and if they can tie that in with what's good for you and / or, if you're lucky what's good for the Country

 

[peteblue]

It was of course a light-hearted comment. Understanding our history is very important and thank you I was a happy student of the subject at school @Joey66

My problem with Leave voters is that their argument for leaving generally always boils down to some intangible, indefinable idea that the UK is better off alone in the world and free to do as it pleases and stride confidently around the world exerting it's influence far and wide.

To me that's pure nostalgia and ignores all practical realities. It's born of an innate British arrogance that somehow, it's all the EU's fault and Britiain can do better acting in its pure self interest.

I've not seen any argument to dispute the idea that the UK will be poorer for at least the next 10 years.

A future trade deal with the EU will be worse than the one we have now. It cannot be anything but.

Then for the rest of the world are @peteblue et al really saying we will get a better deal with the likes of China, Japan and the US negotiating alone instead of part of a EU power block? That just doesn't make sense to me. And what are the compromises we'd accept with a right leaning Tory government negotiating those trade deals - sod the environment maybe? To hell with workers rights and minimum standards on food and services?

I've never had a problem with the EU. Of course it's not perfect but frankly.nothing is. Maybe I'm just too busy to dwell and get engrossed in nostalgic nationalism.

But finally - surely - when any debate has Farage, UKIP, the DUP and the right wing but jobs of the Tory party arguing passionately - surely it just has to be wrong?!?

I’m sure there is a part element in some people’s thinking regarding the above. But it is a mistake to assume everyone is the same.

I agree with you that negotiating with China might be easier as a Superpower block. But as only the USA, China, EU and Japan, have larger economies then your argument could equally apply with the U.K. dealing with every other country in the world. In addition, the USA want to deal with us, we are already the EU’s single biggest trade partner, so just China and Japan to deal with, and it will be much quicker and easier with two single countries negotiating than negotiating with 27, plus all their little regions who can stop a trade deal.......

 

[random]

Like they actually give a toss, if they can do it without getting rumbled they will vote whats good for them

I think you have nailed the exact definition of a politician right there bud.

 

[edge]

Just out of interest Bruce, would anyone from the U.K. have a right to vote wherever your wife comes from ?....

Any EU citizen can vote in municipal or Euro MP elections in any other EU state they reside in, not GE
Expats can vote up to 15 years after they have left the UK.
I wonder why nobody has challenged the right of people from Eire that can vote in a GE if they reside here?
Must be some reason , but I don't know what it is.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Just out of interest Bruce, would anyone from the U.K. have a right to vote wherever your wife comes from ?....

As @edge points out, yes, yes they would. 15 years working in 'our' NHS though, what can she really expect? Certainly not suffrage, that would be utterly crazy.