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abelard said:
UK cancer and children’s wards being hit by closures
https://www.theguardian.com/society...rds-being-hit-by-closures-nhs-staffing-crisis

Growing numbers of hospital units that provide cancer care and children’s services are among those being forced to shut because the NHS’s deepening staffing crisis means it has too few doctors and nurses to operate them safely.

The closures are leading to patients having to travel further to receive care as NHS bosses increasingly decide to centralise services in fewer hospitals in response to gaps in rotas.

The trend prompted the Royal College of Nursing (RCN) to warn that “skeleton staffing” means patients are suffering.

“Every day brings fresh and devastating examples of patients paying the highest price for staffing shortage. There are no benefits to running the NHS on a skeleton staff and refusing to acknowledge that means the ultimate losers, as ward closures around England show, are patients,” said Dame Donna Kinnair, the RCN’s acting chief executive.

Units providing cancer care, services to children and rehabilitation to older patients are among those affected by an ongoing trend which critics say is slimming-down by stealth of NHS care.

Kinnair said: “Staffing shortages push nursing staff to the limit, forcing them to deal with intolerable pressure and escalating workloads. Wards across the country find themselves in a position where even one or two registered nurses leaving or retiring means there’s no conceivable way to operate safely, and the remaining workforce are uprooted to plug gaps in rotas elsewhere.”

The BMA has warned that Brexit will make NHS understaffing even worse if fewer doctors from the EU27 countries decide to come and work in Britain.

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How will we make up for the Brexit-driven collapse in European nurses working for the NHS? You guessed it! By scrapping the student nurse bursary and working them into the ground while paying at least £10k/annum less than any other developed English-speaking country!

Starting nurse's salaries by country:
Britain - £22k
Canada - £35k ($58k CAD)
Australia - £37k ($65k AUD)
USA - £52k ($67k USD)

^^Thanks Tories! ^^Thanks Brexiteers! Take a bow, lads.
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In my wife's team, she's the youngest (at 40), with several due for retirement in the next 18 months. They've stopped taking any trainees to replace them, so goodness only knows how they will staff the unit in a few years. As it is, morale is incredibly low because the managers are flogging them like pack horses. To be honest, the wages are not really here nor there, but the way teams are managed and the workload of those teams mean burnout is incredibly high. That's what hurts the most.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
In my wife's team, she's the youngest (at 40), with several due for retirement in the next 18 months. They've stopped taking any trainees to replace them, so goodness only knows how they will staff the unit in a few years. As it is, moral is incredibly low because the managers are flogging them like pack horses.
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Its Ok, cos in about 10 years we will have vocational education instead of media degrees from Universities. Apparently that will cure (sic) all. @Joey66
 
roydo said:
Its Ok, cos in about 10 years we will have vocational education instead of media degrees from Universities. Apparently that will cure (sic) all. @Joey66
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One of the arguments for greater use of technology is that it will allow people with less training to do the work of someone with more experience. It's an approach I have a degree of sympathy for, and indeed nurses today do an awful lot that would have been the doctor's job in the past, but the NHS is absolutely awful at integrating any kind of new technology into work, and there is so much inefficiency at all levels. I wouldn't say there's a simple explanation, nor indeed a simple cure, but equally I'm not at all confident that it won't lurch from crisis to crisis.
 
Walken said:
she genuinely has the chance to avert a disaster and untold levels of hardship for many, instead she will desperately attempt to cling onto her own job a little while longer
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The thing is, if you run with the assumption that the biggest issue for many leavers was immigration, but that they wanted to retain access to the single market, then this agreement largely does that. It makes the government a rule taker, but I do wonder how many leave voters were Captain Mannering types who had this as their primary objective.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
The thing is, if you run with the assumption that the biggest issue for many leavers was immigration, but that they wanted to retain access to the single market, then this agreement largely does that. It makes the government a rule taker, but I do wonder how many leave voters were Captain Mannering types who had this as their primary objective.
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In all honesty, I doubt the majority of leave voters thoughts went beyond the word immigration
 
Joey66 said:
Here here people who will train to be capable of doing the job with a qualification.......
A proper tradesperson!
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I have advocated it for years Joe. Soz, @Joey66 , but as a solution to a looming staffing issue in the NHS, we may need to think about what we have done. Well, Leavers have done.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
You have absolutely no idea what modern nursing requires Joe. None at all.
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How did they learn in the days of the matron Bruce ?
On the job training with day release paid for is cheaper in the end of someone who waves a degree about, and refuses to do menial work on a ward - not all nurses are like that, but in every trade someone with a degree feels they should leap frog into a top role without the basic knowhow of doing the basic tasks - l have seen very good nurses, and also poor ones who struggle to take bloods, and have to call for help ......
That by the way applies to lots of trades - wayback I sacked a trainee university degree horticulturist as he struggled to do the simple basic tasks with qualifications in amass - other trainees who trained on the job with NVQ qualifications I got them full time jobs you could see their attitudes were spot on and the hunger was there to succeed -
I call it the university of life - I have explained to my daughter who has a degree, and a masters degree, who thought she was entitled to walk into a top management job it does not work like that as degrees are only an academic qualification my old boss used to decry me doing day release , and warned me a bookworm quailified person means nothing -
I soon realised how wise he was as I rose to the top getting promotions moving around the UK - qualifications are great to put in your bank - experience doing the job to a high level of ability is far more important to any employer!
For to long University has now come an industry for income and not attainment for gureteed employment in the skill sector e.g. We are short of basic skilled jobs in the U.K. In all fields of trades!
 
roydo said:
I have advocated it for years Joe. Soz, @Joey66 , but as a solution to a looming staffing issue in the NHS, we may need to think about what we have done. Well, Leavers have done.
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The problem has been there since the city &guilds of London apprenticeships were driven down which was starting to happen many many years ago.......not just around the referendum time!
 
Joey66 said:
How did they learn in the days of the matron Bruce ?
On the job training with day release paid for is cheaper in the end of someone who waves a degree about, and refuses to do menial work on a ward - not all nurses are like that, but in every trade someone with a degree feels they should leap frog into a top role without the basic knowhow of doing the basic tasks - l have seen very good nurses, and also poor ones who struggle to take bloods, and have to call for help ......
That by the way applies to lots of trades - wayback I sacked a trainee university degree horticulturist as he struggled to do the simple basic tasks with qualifications in amass - other trainees who trained on the job with NVQ qualifications I got them full time jobs you could see their attitudes were spot on and the hunger was there to succeed -
I call it the university of life - I have explained to my daughter who has a degree, and a masters degree, who thought she was entitled to walk into a top management job it does not work like that as degrees are only an academic qualification my old boss used to decry me doing day release , and warned me a bookworm quailified person means nothing -
I soon realised how wise he was as I rose to the top getting promotions moving around the UK - qualifications are great to put in your bank - experience doing the job to a high level of ability is far more important to any employer!
For to long University has now come an industry for income and not attainment for gureteed employment in the skill sector e.g. We are short of basic skilled jobs in the U.K. In all fields of trades!
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Yeah, all good mate.

But this needs sorting by 29th March next year.

It was all working ok till the UK took a collective Idiot Pill.
 
Joey66 said:
How did they learn in the days of the matron Bruce ?
On the job training with day release paid for is cheaper in the end of someone who waves a degree about, and refuses to do menial work on a ward - not all nurses are like that, but in every trade someone with a degree feels they should leap frog into a top role without the basic knowhow of doing the basic tasks - l have seen very good nurses, and also poor ones who struggle to take bloods, and have to call for help ......
That by the way applies to lots of trades - wayback I sacked a trainee university degree horticulturist as he struggled to do the simple basic tasks with qualifications in amass - other trainees who trained on the job with NVQ qualifications I got them full time jobs you could see their attitudes were spot on and the hunger was there to succeed -
I call it the university of life - I have explained to my daughter who has a degree, and a masters degree, who thought she was entitled to walk into a top management job it does not work like that as degrees are only an academic qualification my old boss used to decry me doing day release , and warned me a bookworm quailified person means nothing -
I soon realised how wise he was as I rose to the top getting promotions moving around the UK - qualifications are great to put in your bank - experience doing the job to a high level of ability is far more important to any employer!
For to long University has now come an industry for income and not attainment for gureteed employment in the skill sector e.g. We are short of basic skilled jobs in the U.K. In all fields of trades!
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Ok, tell me, what does a nurse actually do in their job? For that matter, what does a nursing degree actually consist of (and how many weeks do they spend on wards as part of it)?
 
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