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Ok, tell me, what does a nurse actually do in their job? For that matter, what does a nursing degree actually consist of (and how many weeks do they spend on wards as part of it)?
I was talking in general Bruce on day to day training on the coalface so do not twist things as per usual, I have no knowledge of NHS training other than the government have taken future nursing bursaries away.....
This country has gone University mad MPs are stating that too.
academic training in degrees does not mean they are suitable to walk into top management positions in any job or profession.......
 
So in a nutshell you partly agree that hands on skill is a better route than a degree your wife has chose not to take - every trade is slightly different yet trained on the job skills imo, and a day release theory course is a better way to get an end product of an individual skilled up than a pure academic skill nursing is a vocation and boy do you need them , but the bursaries have now been take away and it is the university driven money making loan system that is killing trades in the past the other system your wife may have got the promotion just based on job evaluation now that has ceased its unfair to her imo...
as she has been told to seek a degree which imo is unfair , and unnecessary...

I didn`t say that at all Joey.

I said that " the system " recognised short comings in degree only nurses, so changed the rules to allow non degree nurses routes into nursing and the ability to climb the ladder.

My own opinion is that it`s like anything in life, you get good and bad irrelevant of what qualifications you hold.

I have worked with " graduate flyers " in previous jobs, who`ve been some of the most capable and hard working people I`ve had the pleasure of working with.
However I`ve also worked with " graduate flyers " who`ve been bone idle, buffoons. Conversely I`ve also worked with many non graduates that have been equally hard working and also loads who are work shy fools. I`m sure this applies to many on here.

It`s down to the person Joey, not the system.
 
In my wife's team, she's the youngest (at 40), with several due for retirement in the next 18 months. They've stopped taking any trainees to replace them, so goodness only knows how they will staff the unit in a few years. As it is, morale is incredibly low because the managers are flogging them like pack horses. To be honest, the wages are not really here nor there, but the way teams are managed and the workload of those teams mean burnout is incredibly high. That's what hurts the most.

I suspect that in an age of staff haemoraging, creeping inflation, and the ideologically-driven stagnation of investment, resulting in indefinite seasonal crises, the NHS finds it rather difficult to devise and affect long-term strategic planning. As anyone who has ever watched a team get relegated from the Premier League will be aware, prudent future planning proves somewhat elusive when you're faced with existential weekly challenges. Those who are serious about reforming the NHS recognise that the first step is restoring a measure of stability, and sanity. It is hard to plan ahead or carry out sweeping technological reforms when you can barely keep people from dying in the hallways or the ambulence queues every winter...

Since we're going with anecdotal evidence, Canadian hospitals (according to family members who work in them) have all the UK staff they can handle applying for Canadian positions these days. And even if, however bad for moral, pathetic wages aren't enough to drive most settled NHS workers with family ties overseas, they are most certainly a deterrent to attracting the new English-speaking recruits from overseas that the service will desperately need - and that's if Home Office doesn't try to detain them indefinitely in Yarl's Wood or render then to the CIA just for presuming to enter in the first place. Why we imagine anyone would attempt to live in London working irregular hours to exhaustion for £22k/year when they could get at least 50% more elsewhere is beyond me. But then, as Brexit shows us, we are still light years away from grasping our true standing in the world - or how much we've done to reduce it since 2010.

In any event, more money is not in and of itself sufficient to fix the NHS's many problems, but it is indisputably necessary. Adopting the Canadian taxation rate on the highest bracket of earners could be a good first step, and hardly akin to Venezuela - notwithstanding much of the media's inevitable Chicken Little act should anyone left of Blair actually attempt something constructive...
 
I was talking in general Bruce on day to day training on the coalface so do not twist things as per usual, I have no knowledge of NHS training other than the government have taken future nursing bursaries away.....
This country has gone University mad MPs are stating that too.
academic training in degrees does not mean they are suitable to walk into top management positions in any job or profession.......

You`re starting to sound like a Mail reader Joey.
 
Oh deary me, I wonder what @Joey66 will make of this :eek:

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I was talking in general Bruce on day to day training on the coalface so do not twist things as per usual, I have no knowledge of NHS training other than the government have taken future nursing bursaries away.....
This country has gone University mad MPs are stating that too.
academic training in degrees does not mean they are suitable to walk into top management positions in any job or profession.......

So you have no knowledge of what nurse training entails, or indeed what the nursing profession entails, yet you say repeatedly that training is wrong. Ok.
 
I didn`t say that at all Joey.

I said that " the system " recognised short comings in degree only nurses, so changed the rules to allow non degree nurses routes into nursing and the ability to climb the ladder.

My own opinion is that it`s like anything in life, you get good and bad irrelevant of what qualifications you hold.

I have worked with " graduate flyers " in previous jobs, who`ve been some of the most capable and hard working people I`ve had the pleasure of working with.
However I`ve also worked with " graduate flyers " who`ve been bone idle, buffoons. Conversely I`ve also worked with many non graduates that have been equally hard working and also loads who are work shy fools. I`m sure this applies to many on here.

It`s down to the person Joey, not the system.
i agree with some of that, but think back to when you left school it was an achievement to get a paid four year apprenticeship and you had to be very special to go to university it has changed nearly 360 degrees as a money debt ideology for school leavers to head off to University with ease imo - As a parent I have a son who did training in work - successful and a daughter who I helped to fund in with a degree and a masters who is doing not as well pay wise job title wise - I am confident she will do well in the end but boy what an expensive route and a student loan debt that may never be paid back to the government.....
 
I suspect that in an age of staff haemoraging, creeping inflation, and the ideologically-driven stagnation of investment, resulting in indefinite seasonal crises, the NHS finds it rather difficult to devise and affect long-term strategic planning. As anyone who has ever watched a team get relegated from the Premier League will be aware, prudent future planning proves somewhat elusive when you're faced with existential weekly challenges. Those who are serious about reforming the NHS recognise that the first step is restoring a measure of stability, and sanity. It is hard to plan ahead or carry out sweeping technological reforms when you can barely keep people from dying in the hallways or the ambulence queues every winter...

I agree, but equally, I can't remember a time when it's ever been any different. Regardless of who has been in government, whether funding has been 'feast or fallow' the institution seems to have had fundamental shortcomings. I wish the answer was easy, I really do.
 
So you have no knowledge of what nurse training entails, or indeed what the nursing profession entails, yet you say repeatedly that training is wrong. Ok.
Read my post Bruce I am claiming most students vocational training is the better way, and cheaper than Universities for most students...
If universities are the bees knees why does the UK have a skill shortage......
 
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