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Bruce Wayne said:
In which case, the May agreement has kinda ended free movement. Is this another instance of the swivel eyed loons of the Tory party being massively at odds with most of the people they claim to represent?
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Immigration has been the imaginary bogeyman of a certain type of politician for a while now, if that nonsense gets brought to an end that might be some crumb of consultation
 
Joey66 said:
How did they learn in the days of the matron Bruce ?
On the job training with day release paid for is cheaper in the end of someone who waves a degree about, and refuses to do menial work on a ward - not all nurses are like that, but in every trade someone with a degree feels they should leap frog into a top role without the basic knowhow of doing the basic tasks - l have seen very good nurses, and also poor ones who struggle to take bloods, and have to call for help ......
That by the way applies to lots of trades - wayback I sacked a trainee university degree horticulturist as he struggled to do the simple basic tasks with qualifications in amass - other trainees who trained on the job with NVQ qualifications I got them full time jobs you could see their attitudes were spot on and the hunger was there to succeed -
I call it the university of life - I have explained to my daughter who has a degree, and a masters degree, who thought she was entitled to walk into a top management job it does not work like that as degrees are only an academic qualification my old boss used to decry me doing day release , and warned me a bookworm quailified person means nothing -
I soon realised how wise he was as I rose to the top getting promotions moving around the UK - qualifications are great to put in your bank - experience doing the job to a high level of ability is far more important to any employer!
For to long University has now come an industry for income and not attainment for gureteed employment in the skill sector e.g. We are short of basic skilled jobs in the U.K. In all fields of trades!
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My missus is a nurse Joey.

They realised a few years back that due the insistence that anyone entering nursing had to have a degree, that there was a " practical skills " shortage and changed the rules. Nurses can now enter nursing the old fashioned way, rather than having to have a degree. ( nurse cadets for instance )

However you still have to have a degree once you climb past the upper tier of nursing ( band 8 and above ).

As a result my missus now has a middle management job that previously would`ve required a degree, which she hasn`t got and has no intention of ever doing.

You are massively generalising, with some degree of exaggeration too I`m afraid.

Time for your nap.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
One of the arguments for greater use of technology is that it will allow people with less training to do the work of someone with more experience. It's an approach I have a degree of sympathy for, and indeed nurses today do an awful lot that would have been the doctor's job in the past, but the NHS is absolutely awful at integrating any kind of new technology into work, and there is so much inefficiency at all levels. I wouldn't say there's a simple explanation, nor indeed a simple cure, but equally I'm not at all confident that it won't lurch from crisis to crisis.
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While it should help, this lot, Matt Hancock especially, will be farming out technology contracts to all their pals in an effort to make millions. They'll be priming the panacea of technology and as soon as it it shown to be poor and unhelpful, they'll put the blame on nurses and NHS staff or, possibly, even the patient.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
While it should help, this lot, Matt Hancock especially, will be farming out technology contracts to all their pals in an effort to make millions. They'll be priming the panacea of technology and as soon as it it shown to be poor and unhelpful, they'll put the blame on nurses and NHS staff or, possibly, even the patient.
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I know Hancock talks the talk with regards to technology in healthcare, but the NHS has an absolutely rubbish track record of both integrating and disseminating new technology. I haven't seen much to suggest that's going to change, despite no end of initiatives to try and do so.
 
COYBL25 said:
My missus is a nurse Joey.

They realised a few years back that due the insistence that anyone entering nursing had to have a degree, that there was a " practical skills " shortage and changed the rules. Nurses can now enter nursing the old fashioned way, rather than having to have a degree. ( nurse cadets for instance )

However you still have to have a degree once you climb past the upper tier of nursing ( band 8 and above ).

As a result my missus now has a middle management job that previously would`ve required a degree, which she hasn`t got and has no intention of ever doing.

You are massively generalising, with some degree of exaggeration too I`m afraid.

Time for your nap.
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So in a nutshell you partly agree that hands on skill is a better route than a degree your wife has chose not to take - every trade is slightly different yet trained on the job skills imo, and a day release theory course is a better way to get an end product of an individual skilled up than a pure academic skill nursing is a vocation and boy do you need them , but the bursaries have now been take away and it is the university driven money making loan system that is killing trades in the past the other system your wife may have got the promotion just based on job evaluation now that has ceased its unfair to her imo...
as she has been told to seek a degree which imo is unfair , and unnecessary...
 
COYBL25 said:
Oh deary me, I wonder what @Joey66 will make of this :eek:
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lol
Not surprised its typical EU tactics - LBC this am they were celebrating all week in the bars of the EU how they have stitched up the UK........
I always thought in management as I was a good onew that a draft report was never a final deal yet the EU say otherwise.......
we are dealing with the Devil.........
 
Joey66 said:
lol
Not surprised its typical EU tactics - LBC this am they were celebrating all week in the bars of the EU how they have stitched up the UK........
I always thought in management as I was a good onew that a draft report was never a final deal yet the EU say otherwise.......
we are dealing with the Devil.........
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lollollollollol

Bed off.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
@Joey66 https://www.rcn.org.uk/congress/agenda/clinical-placement-hours

Oh look, nearly 50% of a nursing degree is taken up with placements on wards. You might be surprised to know that modern nurses don't walk around with a lamp and a hacksaw as well.
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Exactly bruce 50% it should be more like 80% - with a practical and written exam no coursework towards the qualification either - I don't work for the NHS so I know with the buseries taken away by this Tory government it's a hard life to enter the profession - it is a profession I agree on that Nurses have to be dedicated to what they do and achieve training like every other trade is too complicated, and causing a shortage in all walks of trades ......
 
Joey66 said:
Exactly bruce 50% it should be more like 80% - with a practical and written exam no coursework towards the qualification either - I don't work for the NHS so I know with the buseries taken away by this Tory government it's a hard life to enter the profession - it is a profession I agree on that Nurses have to be dedicated to what they do and achieve training like every other trade is too complicated, and causing a shortage in all walks of trades ......
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You have no idea the knowledge nurses need these days. You'd have people in ICU with their CPR scout badge.
 
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