Current Affairs EU In or Out

[TraffordBlue]

See above poster mate , nobody in reply to you is being deliberately obtuse but what your saying simply isn’t the case . It’s exactly because of the special nature of this specific border that we’re in such a difficult situation over it . It just isn’t as easy as you suggest , if it were everyone would have just moved passed it .

Most Brexiteers have very little idea of what they're talking about on this subject, and they think that they can just get it wrong repeatedly and move on.

It will be the undoing of them in the Brexit debate when it comes to the crunch.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Philip Hammond also agreed with the original project fear and will agree with anything the EU tells him......

Of course, you know more about the situation than the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who studied Politics and Economic at Oxford.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I see the EU are getting very upset with the U.K., or at least pretending to do so in order to pile pressure on May.....who will again fall for it......

Freedom of movement is one of the pillars of the EU Pete. It's frankly staggering that after all this time you and other Brexiteers cannot absorb that. We were told so many times that we would not be able to cherry pick.

 

[Ruairi77]

Freedom of movement is one of the pillars of the EU Pete. It's frankly staggering that after all this time you and other Brexiteers cannot absorb that. We were told so many times that we would not be able to cherry pick.

It still staggers me that so many willingly voted to give up free movement to 27 other countries.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It still staggers me that so many willingly voted to give up free movement to 27 other countries.

I hear that.

 

[edge]

It still staggers me that so many willingly voted to give up free movement to 27 other countries.

The vast majority of people in the UK are going nowhere unless it's on holiday other than in daydream when watching new life in the sun.
So it's not a priority for them

 

[Ruairi77]

The vast majority of people in the UK are going nowhere unless it's on holiday other than in daydream when watching new life in the sun.
So it's not a priority for them

yup, I guess so. There's a huge difference in mindset between Ireland and Britain on this. It's probably one of the most important reasons Irish people have for being in the EU. Probably due to our history as a country of emigration. Just hard to get my head around why you would voluntarily give up these options.

 

[Harryflashman]

It still staggers me that so many willingly voted to give up free movement to 27 other countries.

It’ll impact on me potentially but I can get around it if I need to with an Irish psssport .


On things that puzzle us , I’ve got a mate who spent his younger years living in Spain and France and whose bought a villa in Spain in the last 12 months having voted out in the referendum. Obviously that’s his right but it seems a little odd to me .

 

[edge]

yup, I guess so. There's a huge difference in mindset between Ireland and Britain on this. It's probably one of the most important reasons Irish people have for being in the EU. Probably due to our history as a country of emigration. Just hard to get my head around why you would voluntarily give up these options.

Different mindset in Irish people I think, due in part to the history of the country they seem more open to upping sticks and going to give it a go in other countries.
Despite all the moaning in the UK , most would happily just stay here , work away for a bit and return , or have a holiday home , think most of the people I know have gone to Australia, NZ rather than the EU to live, only can think off one in Spain and one in Holland , but he comes home as much as he is there, so don't know if he counts, he voted out as well

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

No one said they did. Anyone going from the south to the north coming from the EU via ROI has been counted in by the ROI. Anyone going from the ROI to the EU is counted out, therefore anyone from the EU arriving from NI to the U.K. who is not registered in the ROI as having left the ROI will have done so illegally and will therefore be returned. This isn’t hard and I think you wilfully try not to understand...

And that is that. We are arguing, as we suspected, with someone who voted against remaining in the European Union because, like a lot of other Brexiteers, he didn't know how it works. The explanation above is absolutely hilarious. This poster was always on a wind up and now he has put his cards on the table. What a crap hand. If this is his understanding of the Freedom of Movement of EU citizens, why would anyone listen to his views on any other aspect of this subject?

 

[Ruairi77]

Different mindset in Irish people I think, due in part to the history of the country they seem more open to upping sticks and going to give it a go in other countries.
Despite all the moaning in the UK , most would happily just stay here , work away for a bit and return , or have a holiday home , think most of the people I know have gone to Australia, NZ rather than the EU to live, only can think off one in Spain and one in Holland , but he comes home as much as he is there, so don't know if he counts, he voted out as well

yea, it is a different mindset. I've done a bit of thinking about that. I don't really have a huge issue with Brexit, my main concern is for the border and to make sure we avoid a return to the troubles.
Most of the people I know in the UK are Irish and although there's a common travel area, each and every one of them have reported increased hostility towards them. There was a brief window after the troubles and before Brexit where they felt at home. A lot have moved back to Ireland or are thinking about it and although many wont lose too much sleep over this, diversity is a positive for your country, not a negative.
So although most English people are happy not to go anywhere, they've spoken for the Scots, Northern Irish, and every immigrant already living in England.

 

[edge]

yea, it is a different mindset. I've done a bit of thinking about that. I don't really have a huge issue with Brexit, my main concern is for the border and to make sure we avoid a return to the troubles.
Most of the people I know in the UK are Irish and although there's a common travel area, each and every one of them have reported increased hostility towards them. There was a brief window after the troubles and before Brexit where they felt at home. A lot have moved back to Ireland or are thinking about it and although many wont lose too much sleep over this, diversity is a positive for your country, not a negative.
So although most English people are happy not to go anywhere, they've spoken for the Scots, Northern Irish, and every immigrant already living in England.

The English have the right as others have to look after there own interests before others peoples interests,it's just human nature.
Part of the problem on the run up to the vote was they were not getting the feeling that anybody have a toss about them,
When Brexit goes tits up I expect English nationalism to be hi jacked by one of the parties for there own ends.

 

[Ruairi77]

The English have the right as others have to look after there own interests before others peoples interests,it's just human nature.
Part of the problem on the run up to the vote was they were not getting the feeling that anybody have a toss about them,
When Brexit goes tits up I expect English nationalism to be hi jacked by one of the parties for there own ends.

I don't disagree but I would say it's possible to look after your own interests as well as others rather than 'before'.
In an issue where the idea was supposed to be 'what's best for my country' most people thought 'what's best for me'.

 

[Tubey]

The English have the right as others have to look after there own interests before others peoples interests,it's just human nature.
Part of the problem on the run up to the vote was they were not getting the feeling that anybody have a toss about them,
When Brexit goes tits up I expect English nationalism to be hi jacked by one of the parties for there own ends.

That's the odd thing - when Brexit is a disaster, it won't be the Tory hard right who get the blame for it in all likelihood, even though the truth is it's 100% them. You're already seeing attempts to cast blame over the 'failed negotiations' on 'remainers', and the same thing will happen again after we leave - if we'd have done Brexit 'right', it'd have all been OK they'll say.

 

[Eggs]

..it is a major concern that politicians I think are very dangerous and who’s connection is very much with the aristocratic rich (Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg, IDS et al) are hell-bent on a hard Brexit.