Current Affairs EU In or Out

[edge]

That's the odd thing - when Brexit is a disaster, it won't be the Tory hard right who get the blame for it in all likelihood, even though the truth is it's 100% them. You're already seeing attempts to cast blame over the 'failed negotiations' on 'remainers', and the same thing will happen again after we leave - if we'd have done Brexit 'right', it'd have all been OK they'll say.

It's been handled badly from the start, Cameron called it wrong, the EU should have threw him a few buiscuts to sell to the voters.
The whole debate got hi jacked by the Tories infighting.
I voted out , (lots of reasons I have done to death on here before,) but my views don't mean I can or want to tump others on the subject , there views are as valid as mine.
In an ideal world it should have gone to a cross party committee to sort out a stance for the UK to get behind, that in fact encompasses as far as possible the best interests for both sides.
The current proposals as no good for anybody, as I have said if it's a choice between staying in or checkers I would take staying in if nothing else was on the table.
If checkers or a waters down version come in , the establishment are deluded if they think that's the end of the matter it will cause devision within the country and a rise in hard left/right politics we don't normally have in the UK.
Best case scenario at the moment we have GE , worse case May fck's it up , comes back with a dog's dinner, gets replaced as leader and we get a loon to lead the country into the future.
EU have made this more likely by putting the boot into May , should have just said yep ok , bit we don't like Tess but we can work on it.
Now it looks like they are pinning there hopes on her being really weak and caving in to save her own skin, or a new vote, not very unlikely.

 

[peteblue]

And that is that. We are arguing, as we suspected, with someone who voted against remaining in the European Union because, like a lot of other Brexiteers, he didn't know how it works. The explanation above is absolutely hilarious. This poster was always on a wind up and now he has put his cards on the table. What a crap hand. If this is his understanding of the Freedom of Movement of EU citizens, why would anyone listen to his views on any other aspect of this subject?

And you my friend have no intellect or offers of improvement, just negative condemnation of potential solutions. I don’t expect anyone to listen to my views, especially those like yourself that find it impossible to open their minds......

 

[peteblue]

Freedom of movement is one of the pillars of the EU Pete. It's frankly staggering that after all this time you and other Brexiteers cannot absorb that. We were told so many times that we would not be able to cherry pick.

This nonsense over freedom to move, and May going on about restricting EU workers is just stupid. We should allow in everyone we need. Somehow May seems to think that this is what Brexit is about, while I don’t give a crap, I want our PM to lead the U.K. and trade with the world........

 

[peteblue]

Of course, you know more about the situation than the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who studied Politics and Economic at Oxford.

Yeah, tens of thousands did as well. He is still a pollock.....

 

[peteblue]

See above poster mate , nobody in reply to you is being deliberately obtuse but what your saying simply isn’t the case . It’s exactly because of the special nature of this specific border that we’re in such a difficult situation over it . It just isn’t as easy as you suggest , if it were everyone would have just moved passed it .

Except that the EU and the ROI for political reasons don’t want to.......

 

[peteblue]

Most Brexiteers have very little idea of what they're talking about on this subject, and they think that they can just get it wrong repeatedly and move on.

It will be the undoing of them in the Brexit debate when it comes to the crunch.

Most Brexiteers eh, unlike you intelligent Remainers, who don’t have any suggestions of a solution. But of course Brexit isn’t your fault so you are excused finding solutions.....it’s easy being a remainer isn’t it.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This nonsense over freedom to move, and May going on about restricting EU workers is just stupid. We should allow in everyone we need. Somehow May seems to think that this is what Brexit is about, while I don’t give a crap, I want our PM to lead the U.K. and trade with the world........

The idea that a beauracrat knows what skills an economy needs and whether someone has those skills is bonkers. Planned economies don't work. You know that.

 

[peteblue]

This counting in/counting out process and registering of people leaving which you refer to is news to me and to everyone else I suspect. Never heard of it before. Are you sure you didn't dream this up ?

And the bolded bit can only be accomplished by having checks at ports and airports for people crossing the Irish Sea. Which of course won't happen as they will be travelling within the same country, so that's more pie in the sky nonsense. It seems it is you who is willfully trying not to understand.

It requires no checks crossing the Irish Sea. Even after Brexit the ROI will be able to freely travel to the U.K., just as they did before the EU existed......but you knew that didn’t you......

 

[peteblue]

just said they will not accept EU citizens being treated differently on there skills, goodbye May

I think she’s toast. It’s rumoured that she’s she’s even going to cave in further to the EU. I just cannot believe that she thinks her plan is still alive.......

 

[peteblue]

The idea that a beauracrat knows what skills an economy needs and whether someone has those skills is bonkers. Planned economies don't work. You know that.

I do know that Bruce. Companies can tell the government what they need. It is driven bottom up not top down...unless it’s changed since I did it......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I do know that Bruce. Companies can tell the government what they need. It is driven bottom up not top down...unless it’s changed since I did it......

Most comments I've seen from companies seem to support what we have, not what the government are proposing.

 

[peteblue]

Most comments I've seen from companies seem to support what we have, not what the government are proposing.

I think the government have made the same mistake as Remainers on here, thinking that reducing immigration delivers Brexit. I think today’s government are under selling Brexit and what we wanted and will pay the penalty......

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

It requires no checks crossing the Irish Sea. Even after Brexit the ROI will be able to freely travel to the U.K., just as they did before the EU existed......but you knew that didn’t you......

As will all EU citizens who arrive in Ireland and enter the UK by crossing the Irish border, so you won't be able to stop them coming.

But you knew that anyway didn't you. And of course you swerved the immigration question yet again.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

And you my friend have no intellect or offers of improvement, just negative condemnation of potential solutions. I don’t expect anyone to listen to my views, especially those like yourself that find it impossible to open their minds......

You don't even know how Freedom of Movement in the EU works. Ireland is in the EU and we won't be. EU citizens are not counted into the Republic, so all of them could theoretically enter the UK through the open border to what is currently still the UK. Your answer showed you up heavily. Your opinions are frankly irrelevant now.

 

[peteblue]

You don't even know how Freedom of Movement in the EU works. Ireland is in the EU and we won't be. EU citizens are not counted into the Republic, so all of them could theoretically enter the UK through the open border to what is currently still the UK. Your answer showed you up heavily. Your opinions are frankly irrelevant now.

Excellent, put me on ignore and let me enjoy life.....