Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Number_25]

The problem today and for far to long in the UK all we here is the price of everything put first, be it health , jobs, ect in the workplace the same profit margin v people , never what's good for the people/UK in the long run.
Listen to any political argument that now it's like a maths debate.
Like him or loathe him Corbyn at least offers something different that actually puts people back into the mix, i disagree with a lot of the current labour party Abbott ect but at least there offering some hope rather than a balance sheet to the people.

I guess that's your take of the situation, and I respect it.

I don't think we've actually done enough of that, but we're beginning to revert back to the founding principle of shortening the disparity between capital and labour. It's an exciting thing to see, having experienced the morale darkness beforehand.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

"So everyone who claims that sharp cuts in EU migration will be economically damaging is wrong: we can simply end “low skilled, low-paid” migration, and we’ll have much lower migration and no economic damage. It’s no secret why the anti-immigration lobby pushes this line – they know that public opinion is much more positive about skilled than unskilled migration.

But this is a con, plain and simple. When Woolfe and Green talk about “unskilled” or “low paid” workers they don’t mean unskilled or low paid workers. They mean workers who would not currently qualify for a Tier 2 visa – or the even more restrictive system that they want."

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/who-are-you-calling-low-skilled/

 

[edge]

It's not all about cost, fear, racist,some people just don't like foreigners, feel it further pushes down the ladder, don't like the way there area is changing, feel they haven't been asked if they want any of this, we haven't invested in are own people enough so they aren't skilled enough to do the jobs, there are lots of different reasons people don't want more imagrants from the EU or anywhere else for that matter it's to easy to just say they cost this or that , if anybody voiced there concerns they were deemed racist dimwits, so nobody gave them a voice its led to the current climate.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's not all about cost, fear, racist,some people just don't like foreigners, feel it further pushes down the ladder, don't like the way there area is changing, feel they haven't been asked if they want any of this, we haven't invested in are own people enough so they aren't skilled enough to do the jobs, there are lots of different reasons people don't want more imagrants from the EU or anywhere else for that matter it's to easy to just say they cost this or that , if anybody voiced there concerns they were deemed racist dimwits, so nobody gave them a voice its led to the current climate.

It's an argument I don't really get though mate. On skills, migrants are supposedly simultaneously low skilled yet taking jobs that natives aren't skilled enough to do. I get 100% the need to do more to help people develop new skills and improve their employability, but that is a domestic issue that has nothing to do with the EU. Whether it's competition from migrants coming here, jobs being exported elsewhere or even new technologies entering the workplace, things never stand still, so it's vital our society gets better at doing the whole lifelong learning thing, especially for those with fewer marketable skills to begin with. It is difficult though and I'm not sure the current government have proposed much at all to advance that cause.

The not liking foreigners thing is something I get, as in group/out group dynamics are a fundamental part of our makeup that in many senses helped tribes to survive in a much more dangerous world than we have today. So I get it, but don't agree that these instinctive fears are grounded, and loathe the way politicians prey on that by casting blame on 'the other' for the woes of the 'in group' they aim to represent. It's cheap and nasty and something we should be striving to avoid as a society rather than brush aside as inevitable. There's so much more that binds mankind together than separates us, and so I'll always push against those who try to divide us.

 

[nsno-chris]

Free Trade Agreement aka Chequers Plan is still the standout option that the government are proceeding with. The next meeting I’ve been invited to has this has its main agenda item which i found quite bizarre, until I’ve just seen her conference speech.

 

[hullefc]

Free Trade Agreement aka Chequers Plan is still the standout option that the government are proceeding with. The next meeting I’ve been invited to has this has its main agenda item which i found quite bizarre, until I’ve just seen her conference speech.

I assume that is where they will talk about the border on the island of Ireland and the Irish sea border?

 

[nsno-chris]

I assume that is where they will talk about the border on the island of Ireland and the Irish sea border?

We’ve already informed them, but if she gets a watered down chequers plan it won’t be as big as an issue as no deal because we’ll still be abiding by EU rules on movement of goods, people may be a different issue

 

[edge]

something has gone on today May and them Rabb both getting interviewed and no mention of a checkers plan only free trade, plus the meeting with the DUP.
May had a meeting with party activists on Monday behind closed doors , it didn't go well grumbles over checkers and for the first time in 50 years barely no applause as she left. might have shook her up

 

[Harryflashman]

Nissan chief exec Carlos Ghosn “ We are preparing for the worst but I do not want to tell you how we are preparing because you will say I am just trying to scare people."

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Nissan chief exec Carlos Ghosn “ We are preparing for the worst but I do not want to tell you how we are preparing because you will say I am just trying to scare people."

I'm at an EU thing at the moment as well, and they're being rather cagey about what post-Brexit life will mean for Britain. At the moment there are several research hubs in the UK and it's far from certain if these will remain after March. They did suggest the new blue passports would compensate however (that last bit may not be true - the bloke was German so of course didn't make any jokes)

 

[Number_25]

I'm at an EU thing at the moment as well, and they're being rather cagey about what post-Brexit life will mean for Britain. At the moment there are several research hubs in the UK and it's far from certain if these will remain after March. They did suggest the new blue passports would compensate however (that last bit may not be true - the bloke was German so of course didn't make any jokes)

Was in a funding meeting yesterday with the Wellcome Trust.

The sheer brutality of the situation (as it stands) was incredibly saddening to see.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Was in a funding meeting yesterday with the Wellcome Trust.

The sheer brutality of the situation (as it stands) was incredibly saddening to see.

And as you know, these things tend to have a pretty long time horizon, so the uncertainty when we're just six months out is pretty crazy. It underlines the barminess of even embarking down this path without any plan whatsoever, or any inkling that the plan would work. They've undertaken it on a wing and a prayer.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Tusk says UK's Soviet Union remarks 'unwise' and 'insulting'

The European Council President Donald Tusk has delivered a stern rebuke to the British government’s position on Brexit following the Conservative Party conference.

Speaking alongside the Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, following a bilateral meeting in Brussels, Mr Tusk delivered several broadsides against the UK’s position on Brexit and on the Irish backstop.

He also had a specific response to British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt, who had compared the EU with the Soviet Union.

The former Polish prime minister said: "Comparing the European Union to the Soviet Union is as unwise as it is insulting. The Soviet Union was about prisons and gulags, borders and walls, violence against citizens.

"The EU is about freedom and human rights, prosperity and peace, life without fear, it is about democracy and pluralism. A continent without internal borders and walls.

"As the president of the European Council and someone who spent half my life in the Soviet Bloc I know what I am talking about," he said.

"The Soviet spirit is still alive, as demonstrated by the attack in Salisbury. You will know best where to find this spirit...rather not in Brussels."

Mr Tusk also appeared to criticise British Prime Minister Theresa May’s complaint that the UK had not been treated with respect during the informal summit in Salzburg on 20 September.

"I always try to present the EU's position honestly and without beating about the bush," he said in a statement following the meeting with Mr Varakdar.

"Telling the truth even if difficult and unpleasant...that's how it was in Salzburg and that's also how we will work in coming days.

"Emotional arguments that stress the issue of dignity sound attractive, but they do not facilitate agreement. Let us remember that every actor in this process has their dignity, and confrontation in this field will not lead to anything good.

"Second, the task of the EU's negotiator is to defend the interest of the EU as a whole and of all the 27 member states. We very much regret the UK has decided to leave, and we hope for the best relationship in the future.

"But no-one can expect that the EU will give up its fundamental values and key interests. Let me make this clear, the EU wants a relationship with the UK that is as close and special as possible."

Mr Tusk also appeared to take issue with the position of London and the DUP that the Irish backstop threatened the constitutional integrity of the UK.

"Unacceptable remarks that raise the temperature will achieve nothing accept wasting more time. What needs to be done is maximum progress by the October Council."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1004/1000826-taoiseach_brussels/

 

[Harryflashman]

Tusk says UK's Soviet Union remarks 'unwise' and 'insulting'

The European Council President Donald Tusk has delivered a stern rebuke to the British government’s position on Brexit following the Conservative Party conference.

Speaking alongside the Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, following a bilateral meeting in Brussels, Mr Tusk delivered several broadsides against the UK’s position on Brexit and on the Irish backstop.

He also had a specific response to British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt, who had compared the EU with the Soviet Union.

The former Polish prime minister said: "Comparing the European Union to the Soviet Union is as unwise as it is insulting. The Soviet Union was about prisons and gulags, borders and walls, violence against citizens.

"The EU is about freedom and human rights, prosperity and peace, life without fear, it is about democracy and pluralism. A continent without internal borders and walls.

"As the president of the European Council and someone who spent half my life in the Soviet Bloc I know what I am talking about," he said.

"The Soviet spirit is still alive, as demonstrated by the attack in Salisbury. You will know best where to find this spirit...rather not in Brussels."

Mr Tusk also appeared to criticise British Prime Minister Theresa May’s complaint that the UK had not been treated with respect during the informal summit in Salzburg on 20 September.

"I always try to present the EU's position honestly and without beating about the bush," he said in a statement following the meeting with Mr Varakdar.

"Telling the truth even if difficult and unpleasant...that's how it was in Salzburg and that's also how we will work in coming days.

"Emotional arguments that stress the issue of dignity sound attractive, but they do not facilitate agreement. Let us remember that every actor in this process has their dignity, and confrontation in this field will not lead to anything good.

"Second, the task of the EU's negotiator is to defend the interest of the EU as a whole and of all the 27 member states. We very much regret the UK has decided to leave, and we hope for the best relationship in the future.

"But no-one can expect that the EU will give up its fundamental values and key interests. Let me make this clear, the EU wants a relationship with the UK that is as close and special as possible."

Mr Tusk also appeared to take issue with the position of London and the DUP that the Irish backstop threatened the constitutional integrity of the UK.

"Unacceptable remarks that raise the temperature will achieve nothing accept wasting more time. What needs to be done is maximum progress by the October Council."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1004/1000826-taoiseach_brussels/

I thought the initial comments were crass and I agree with the above but there are people out there that buy into the comparison, that really believe they’ve had their lives controlled by unelected faceless autocrats . These people and there are a lot of them are prepared to suffer financial hardship and see others do the same because as they see it , it’s better to be free .

I don’t understand them and I do try but whatever Tusk says it’ll make no difference.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Tusk says UK's Soviet Union remarks 'unwise' and 'insulting'

The European Council President Donald Tusk has delivered a stern rebuke to the British government’s position on Brexit following the Conservative Party conference.

Speaking alongside the Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, following a bilateral meeting in Brussels, Mr Tusk delivered several broadsides against the UK’s position on Brexit and on the Irish backstop.

He also had a specific response to British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt, who had compared the EU with the Soviet Union.

The former Polish prime minister said: "Comparing the European Union to the Soviet Union is as unwise as it is insulting. The Soviet Union was about prisons and gulags, borders and walls, violence against citizens.

"The EU is about freedom and human rights, prosperity and peace, life without fear, it is about democracy and pluralism. A continent without internal borders and walls.

"As the president of the European Council and someone who spent half my life in the Soviet Bloc I know what I am talking about," he said.

"The Soviet spirit is still alive, as demonstrated by the attack in Salisbury. You will know best where to find this spirit...rather not in Brussels."

Mr Tusk also appeared to criticise British Prime Minister Theresa May’s complaint that the UK had not been treated with respect during the informal summit in Salzburg on 20 September.

"I always try to present the EU's position honestly and without beating about the bush," he said in a statement following the meeting with Mr Varakdar.

"Telling the truth even if difficult and unpleasant...that's how it was in Salzburg and that's also how we will work in coming days.

"Emotional arguments that stress the issue of dignity sound attractive, but they do not facilitate agreement. Let us remember that every actor in this process has their dignity, and confrontation in this field will not lead to anything good.

"Second, the task of the EU's negotiator is to defend the interest of the EU as a whole and of all the 27 member states. We very much regret the UK has decided to leave, and we hope for the best relationship in the future.

"But no-one can expect that the EU will give up its fundamental values and key interests. Let me make this clear, the EU wants a relationship with the UK that is as close and special as possible."

Mr Tusk also appeared to take issue with the position of London and the DUP that the Irish backstop threatened the constitutional integrity of the UK.

"Unacceptable remarks that raise the temperature will achieve nothing accept wasting more time. What needs to be done is maximum progress by the October Council."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1004/1000826-taoiseach_brussels/

The irony is that it's the UK who is trying to restrict the rights of both its own citizens and those of other nations to move freely. People in glass houses and all that.