Emlynsqueakyvoice
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I merely put you under 'ignorant'. The Republic of Ireland counts EU nationals in. You've had an Elm Street there!
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peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
The issue is that anyone from Ireland can travel to the U.K. and that is not a problem. The thing is that anyone found to be in the U.K. illegally, if having come from the ROI, can be sent back to the ROI. The ROI enjoys a common travel area with the U.K., both to NI and the rest of the U.K., which, as I have said, existed before the EU was even dreamt of. It could of course give this up and retake all of the Irish Travellers we currently have and forego uninterrupted travel to and from the U.K. that’s their choice. But the ROI cannot have it all, demanding that the U.K. keeps NI in a customs union, open borders etc, common travel area, while using the opposite arguments to maintain this EU required border issue as an EU negotiating ploy.......
Check this out:
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/search/17875/?q=Habitual+Residency&o=date
It's actually scary how many people don't actually know how the system works. I've had many conversations with people who voted to leave who were totally, completely unaware that the Habitual Residency test is a thing. They've bought into the far right nonsense of the UK being a free for all.
Hence why I find this "skills based" nonsense exactly that - nonsense - because the vast majority of EU immigrants to the UK come here after being invited to do so for work, because UK workers won't take certain roles. And I can say that with absolute confidence because I've seen it in action first hand - jobs advertised openly in the UK that British people simply won't do; they outright refuse to apply for them.
Not only that, but we've essentially been running an experiment on 'managed migration' for the last few decades, as it's dead easy to compare EU migrants who come in via freedom of movement with non-EU migrants who the government have to allow to come here. You can compare their employment status, education level, crime statistics, 'profit & loss account' in terms of taxation, and even their age. EU migrants win on every single one of them.
That isn't to say that EU folk are something special, merely that this notion that the government are better at managing migration than the market is has been proven unequivocally to be twaddle, yet leavers persist in saying it.
(part of the reason as to why people are so angry about immigration is because, for so long, the debate has surrounded their "worth" as wholly economic agents)
As opposed to people not liking those that might diminish their own sense of worth? Seriously though, what's the evidence for that? There have been leavers in this thread saying repeatedly that they want a managed migration system, so the debate has revolved around that. Only one person has said they feel unhappy at the way Polish voices in their supermarket makes them feel.
It doesn't take a genius to understand how arguing from a point of "we need them because they're cheap" will only further the fallacy of them driving down wages.
Who has made that argument though?
Throw a %2C "wages" in that too, if you fancy destroying your view on people.
Twitter's about as representative of the population as Momentum are of Labour voters though, no?
The problem today and for far to long in the UK all we here is the price of everything put first, be it health , jobs, ect in the workplace the same profit margin v people , never what's good for the people/UK in the long run.
Listen to any political argument that now it's like a maths debate.
Like him or loathe him Corbyn at least offers something different that actually puts people back into the mix, i disagree with a lot of the current labour party Abbott ect but at least there offering some hope rather than a balance sheet to the people.
Well, I don't think it's appropriate to record people talking at Spoons or whatever.
The problem today and for far to long in the UK all we here is the price of everything put first, be it health , jobs, ect in the workplace the same profit margin v people , never what's good for the people/UK in the long run.
Listen to any political argument that now it's like a maths debate.
Like him or loathe him Corbyn at least offers something different that actually puts people back into the mix, i disagree with a lot of the current labour party Abbott ect but at least there offering some hope rather than a balance sheet to the people.
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