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Oooh! Sterling has strengthened on the news that EU folk have been reported saying significant progress is expected on previously "unresolved issues".

Lets flaming hope so.

The IPPR braintrust now shaping Labour policy represents far and away the most thoughtful, informed, sophisticated, and plausible policy response to this country's many self-inflicted wounds.

But the one issue where they are dead wrong is the idea that a weaker Pound would be good for Britain.
 
And all of a sudden it seems that there is nothing but positivity emerging from the EU negotiators on amazing progress having been made in the last week making a mutually acceptable deal becoming a reality.
Is the whole scenario of posturing on both sides to portray deep and meaningful discussions now coming to the fore?

No this is the EU trying to bounce us into an agreement......
 
The NHS staffing crisis could be set to worsen as tens of thousands of EU jobseekers turn their backs on Britain and look elsewhere for work, data released today by the world’s largest job site Indeed reveals.

In the three years to April 2018, the proportion of European candidates looking for UK healthcare jobs on Indeed fell by a fifth (21%).
Indeed’s data shows Europeans’ appetite for UK jobs has fallen steadily since 2015 - the year before the EU referendum - coinciding with a fall in the value of sterling and improving economic conditions in a number of EU countries. The UK sector hit hardest is construction, which has seen its share of European job enquiries tumble by almost half (down 42%).

Both healthcare and construction rely heavily on European workers. One in 10 doctors in English hospitals is an EU national, as are 10% of UK construction workers. London’s construction industry is particularly at risk from a fall in European recruits; nearly a third (32%) of the capital’s builders are EU nationals, according to official figures.

The study, by Indeed’s Hiring Lab economics research unit, found that from mid-2015 European jobseekers as a whole became less interested in UK jobs. However the drop-off was sharpest among those in Ireland (down 44%) and Poland (down 26%). By contrast, demand for UK jobs held up well among the Italians, French and Spanish.


Nevertheless the waning popularity of Britain as a destination for European workers will sound alarm bells for the UK’s most “Brexit-exposed” employers. Indeed’s analysis of the Labour Force Survey shows the high-skilled profession most reliant on European expertise is veterinary science, with 21% of UK vets being nationals of another EU country.


Other high-skilled professions with a high reliance on EU nationals are town planning (15%), architecture (14%) and dentistry (14%). The proportion is even higher among some manual jobs; nearly half (48%) of Britain’s packers, bottlers, canners and fillers are EU citizens, as are 41% of food production operatives and a third (32%) of street cleaners.
However Indeed’s data offers some solace to the tech and finance sectors, both of which have seen interest from European jobseekers hold up well. Meanwhile the childcare sector has enjoyed a surge in European interest, with Indeed recording a 49% increase in Europeans searching for British childcare jobs.


Pawel Adrjan, UK economist at Indeed, commented: “While talk of a full-blown Brexodus may be premature, official figures show thousands of Europeans who came to the UK to work are already returning home. By showing who is searching for jobs and where, Indeed’s job search data gives a powerful snapshot of what the future holds for Britain’s labour market.
“Our findings will make alarming reading for employers in the healthcare and construction sectors. Both are already suffering skills shortages, and our research suggests this problem may worsen as more skilled Europeans stay home.
“What’s striking is that the trend began in 2015, before the Brexit referendum. After a decade as a magnet for European workers, the UK’s appeal waned as the Pound weakened and several European economies returned to growth.
“But what began as a gentle decline has morphed into a rapid slowdown as fears of a messy Brexit, falling sterling and strong labour markets in other parts of Europe prompt many jobseekers to look elsewhere. Brexit is still six months away, but the tap of European workers on which Britain relies is already being turned off.”
 
The NHS staffing crisis could be set to worsen as tens of thousands of EU jobseekers turn their backs on Britain and look elsewhere for work, data released today by the world’s largest job site Indeed reveals.

In the three years to April 2018, the proportion of European candidates looking for UK healthcare jobs on Indeed fell by a fifth (21%).
Indeed’s data shows Europeans’ appetite for UK jobs has fallen steadily since 2015 - the year before the EU referendum - coinciding with a fall in the value of sterling and improving economic conditions in a number of EU countries. The UK sector hit hardest is construction, which has seen its share of European job enquiries tumble by almost half (down 42%).

Both healthcare and construction rely heavily on European workers. One in 10 doctors in English hospitals is an EU national, as are 10% of UK construction workers. London’s construction industry is particularly at risk from a fall in European recruits; nearly a third (32%) of the capital’s builders are EU nationals, according to official figures.

The study, by Indeed’s Hiring Lab economics research unit, found that from mid-2015 European jobseekers as a whole became less interested in UK jobs. However the drop-off was sharpest among those in Ireland (down 44%) and Poland (down 26%). By contrast, demand for UK jobs held up well among the Italians, French and Spanish.


Nevertheless the waning popularity of Britain as a destination for European workers will sound alarm bells for the UK’s most “Brexit-exposed” employers. Indeed’s analysis of the Labour Force Survey shows the high-skilled profession most reliant on European expertise is veterinary science, with 21% of UK vets being nationals of another EU country.


Other high-skilled professions with a high reliance on EU nationals are town planning (15%), architecture (14%) and dentistry (14%). The proportion is even higher among some manual jobs; nearly half (48%) of Britain’s packers, bottlers, canners and fillers are EU citizens, as are 41% of food production operatives and a third (32%) of street cleaners.
However Indeed’s data offers some solace to the tech and finance sectors, both of which have seen interest from European jobseekers hold up well. Meanwhile the childcare sector has enjoyed a surge in European interest, with Indeed recording a 49% increase in Europeans searching for British childcare jobs.


Pawel Adrjan, UK economist at Indeed, commented: “While talk of a full-blown Brexodus may be premature, official figures show thousands of Europeans who came to the UK to work are already returning home. By showing who is searching for jobs and where, Indeed’s job search data gives a powerful snapshot of what the future holds for Britain’s labour market.
“Our findings will make alarming reading for employers in the healthcare and construction sectors. Both are already suffering skills shortages, and our research suggests this problem may worsen as more skilled Europeans stay home.
“What’s striking is that the trend began in 2015, before the Brexit referendum. After a decade as a magnet for European workers, the UK’s appeal waned as the Pound weakened and several European economies returned to growth.
“But what began as a gentle decline has morphed into a rapid slowdown as fears of a messy Brexit, falling sterling and strong labour markets in other parts of Europe prompt many jobseekers to look elsewhere. Brexit is still six months away, but the tap of European workers on which Britain relies is already being turned off.”

Brexiteers dream right there as all the jobs that were being stolen by EU nurses can now be better filled by all the underworked and overpopulated British nurses that are left

:hayee::hayee::hayee::hayee::hayee:
 
http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/cjres/rsy019 from the University of Cambridge into the impact (and distribution) of local government cuts across the UK. Easier to blame Europe though, huh?

"The first "fine-grained" analysis of local authority budgets across Britain since 2010 has found that the average reduction in service spending by councils was almost 24% in England compared to just 12% in Wales and 11.5% in Scotland.

While some areas - Glasgow, for example - experienced significant service loss, the new study suggests that devolved powers have allowed Scottish and Welsh governments to mitigate the harshest local cuts experienced in parts of England.

University of Cambridge researchers found that, across Britain, the most severe cuts to local service spending between 2010 and 2017 were generally associated with areas of "multiple deprivation".

This pattern is clearest in England, where all 46 councils that cut spending by 30% or more are located. These local authorities tend to be more reliant on central government, with lower property values and fewer additional funding sources, as well as less ability to generate revenue through taxes.

The north was hit with the deepest cuts to local spending, closely followed by parts of London. The ten worst affected councils include Salford, South Tyneside, Wigan, Oldham and Gateshead, as well as the London boroughs of Camden, Hammersmith and Fulham, and Kensington and Chelsea. Westminster council had a drop in service spending of 46% - the most significant in the UK.

The research also shows a large swathe of southern England, primarily around the 'home counties', with low levels of reliance on central government and only relatively minor local service cuts. Northern Ireland was excluded from the study due to limited data.

The authors of the new paper, published in the Cambridge Journal of Regions, Economy and Society, say the findings demonstrate how austerity has been pushed down to a local level, "intensifying territorial injustice" between areas.

They argue that initiatives claimed by government to ameliorate austerity, such as local retention of business taxes, will only fuel unfair competition and inequality between regions - as local authorities turn to "beggar thy neighbor" policies in efforts to boost tax bases and buffer against austerity.

"The idea that austerity has hit all areas equally is nonsense," said geographer Dr Mia Gray, who conducted the research with her Cambridge colleague Dr Anna Barford.

"Local councils rely to varying degrees on the central government, and we have found a clear relationship between grant dependence and cuts in service spending.

"The average cuts to local services have been twice as deep in England compared to Scotland and Wales. Cities have suffered the most, particularly in the old industrial centres of the north but also much of London," said Gray.

"Wealthier areas can generate revenues from business tax, while others sell off buildings such as former back offices to plug gaping holes in council budgets.

"The councils in greatest need have the weakest local economies. Many areas with populations that are ageing or struggling to find employment have very little in the way of a public safety net.

"The government needs to decide whether it is content for more local authorities to essentially go bust, in the way we have already seen in Northamptonshire this year," she said.

The latest study, which comes as England's county councils predict at least £1 billion in further cutbacks by 2020, used data from the Institute of Fiscal Studies to conduct a spatial analysis of Britain's local authority funding system.

Gray and Barford mapped the levels of central grant dependence across England's councils, and the percentage fall of service spend by local authorities across Scotland, Wales and England between financial years 2009/2010 and 2016/2017.

Some of the local services hit hardest across the country include highways and transport, culture, adult social care, children and young people's services, and environmental services.

The part of central government formerly known as the Department of Communities and Local Government experienced a dramatic overall budget cut of 53% between 2010 and 2016.

As budget decisions were hit at a local level, "mandatory" council services - those considered vital - were funded at the expense of "discretionary" services. However, the researchers found these boundaries to be blurry.

"Taking care of 'at risk' children is a mandatory concern. However, youth centres and outreach services are considered unessential and have been cut to the bone. Yet these are services that help prevent children becoming 'at risk' in the first place," said Gray.

"There is a narrative at national and local levels that the hands of politicians are tied, but many of these funding decisions are highly political. Public finance is politics hidden in accounting columns."

Gray points out that once local councils "go bust" and Section 114 notices are issued, as with Northamptonshire Council, administrators are sent in who then take financial decisions that supersede any democratic process.

In an unusual collaboration, the research has also contributed to the development of a new play by the Menagerie Theatre Company that explores the effects of austerity.

In a forum-theatre performance, audience members help guide characters through situations taken from the lives of those in austerity-hit Britain. The play will be performed in community venues across the country during October and November.

Gray added: "Ever since vast sums of public money were used to bail out the banks a decade ago, the British people have been told that there is no other choice but austerity imposed at a fierce and relentless rate."

"We are now seeing austerity policies turn into a downward spiral of disinvestment in certain people and places. Local councils in some communities are shrunk to the most basic of services. This could affect the life chances of entire generations born in the wrong part of the country."
 
http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/cjres/rsy019 from the University of Cambridge into the impact (and distribution) of local government cuts across the UK. Easier to blame Europe though, huh?

"The first "fine-grained" analysis of local authority budgets across Britain since 2010 has found that the average reduction in service spending by councils was almost 24% in England compared to just 12% in Wales and 11.5% in Scotland.

While some areas - Glasgow, for example - experienced significant service loss, the new study suggests that devolved powers have allowed Scottish and Welsh governments to mitigate the harshest local cuts experienced in parts of England.

University of Cambridge researchers found that, across Britain, the most severe cuts to local service spending between 2010 and 2017 were generally associated with areas of "multiple deprivation".

This pattern is clearest in England, where all 46 councils that cut spending by 30% or more are located. These local authorities tend to be more reliant on central government, with lower property values and fewer additional funding sources, as well as less ability to generate revenue through taxes.

The north was hit with the deepest cuts to local spending, closely followed by parts of London. The ten worst affected councils include Salford, South Tyneside, Wigan, Oldham and Gateshead, as well as the London boroughs of Camden, Hammersmith and Fulham, and Kensington and Chelsea. Westminster council had a drop in service spending of 46% - the most significant in the UK.

The research also shows a large swathe of southern England, primarily around the 'home counties', with low levels of reliance on central government and only relatively minor local service cuts. Northern Ireland was excluded from the study due to limited data.

The authors of the new paper, published in the Cambridge Journal of Regions, Economy and Society, say the findings demonstrate how austerity has been pushed down to a local level, "intensifying territorial injustice" between areas.

They argue that initiatives claimed by government to ameliorate austerity, such as local retention of business taxes, will only fuel unfair competition and inequality between regions - as local authorities turn to "beggar thy neighbor" policies in efforts to boost tax bases and buffer against austerity.

"The idea that austerity has hit all areas equally is nonsense," said geographer Dr Mia Gray, who conducted the research with her Cambridge colleague Dr Anna Barford.

"Local councils rely to varying degrees on the central government, and we have found a clear relationship between grant dependence and cuts in service spending.

"The average cuts to local services have been twice as deep in England compared to Scotland and Wales. Cities have suffered the most, particularly in the old industrial centres of the north but also much of London," said Gray.

"Wealthier areas can generate revenues from business tax, while others sell off buildings such as former back offices to plug gaping holes in council budgets.

"The councils in greatest need have the weakest local economies. Many areas with populations that are ageing or struggling to find employment have very little in the way of a public safety net.

"The government needs to decide whether it is content for more local authorities to essentially go bust, in the way we have already seen in Northamptonshire this year," she said.

The latest study, which comes as England's county councils predict at least £1 billion in further cutbacks by 2020, used data from the Institute of Fiscal Studies to conduct a spatial analysis of Britain's local authority funding system.

Gray and Barford mapped the levels of central grant dependence across England's councils, and the percentage fall of service spend by local authorities across Scotland, Wales and England between financial years 2009/2010 and 2016/2017.

Some of the local services hit hardest across the country include highways and transport, culture, adult social care, children and young people's services, and environmental services.

The part of central government formerly known as the Department of Communities and Local Government experienced a dramatic overall budget cut of 53% between 2010 and 2016.

As budget decisions were hit at a local level, "mandatory" council services - those considered vital - were funded at the expense of "discretionary" services. However, the researchers found these boundaries to be blurry.

"Taking care of 'at risk' children is a mandatory concern. However, youth centres and outreach services are considered unessential and have been cut to the bone. Yet these are services that help prevent children becoming 'at risk' in the first place," said Gray.

"There is a narrative at national and local levels that the hands of politicians are tied, but many of these funding decisions are highly political. Public finance is politics hidden in accounting columns."

Gray points out that once local councils "go bust" and Section 114 notices are issued, as with Northamptonshire Council, administrators are sent in who then take financial decisions that supersede any democratic process.

In an unusual collaboration, the research has also contributed to the development of a new play by the Menagerie Theatre Company that explores the effects of austerity.

In a forum-theatre performance, audience members help guide characters through situations taken from the lives of those in austerity-hit Britain. The play will be performed in community venues across the country during October and November.

Gray added: "Ever since vast sums of public money were used to bail out the banks a decade ago, the British people have been told that there is no other choice but austerity imposed at a fierce and relentless rate."

"We are now seeing austerity policies turn into a downward spiral of disinvestment in certain people and places. Local councils in some communities are shrunk to the most basic of services. This could affect the life chances of entire generations born in the wrong part of the country."

good grief. a dim bulb suddenly flickers...

as you hadn't spend the past 8 years demanding all of the above....
https://www.economist.com/britain/2010/01/28/the-recovery-and-the-election
 
good grief. a dim bulb suddenly flickers...

as you hadn't spend the past 8 years demanding all of the above....
https://www.economist.com/britain/2010/01/28/the-recovery-and-the-election

I haven't demanded anything to be fair. I have said a few times that the way the budget has been allocated has largely been influenced by political factors rather than economic ones, hence why you have critical care (via the politically sensitive NHS) largely preserved, whilst social care (via local government) gutted. I merely drew reference to the above in the context that the cuts to local government have made it harder for councils to respond to changing circumstances, and that using Europe as a scapegoat ignores the very real flaws in our domestic government.

Even the study from above points to flaws in how any cuts to local councils were administered, as those with strong local economies were able to ride out the cuts, whereas those with weak local economies weren't. I don't know enough to verify, but it creates the impression of cuts being administered quite bluntly rather than taking into account local circumstances. So, in other words, if you're going to try and live within your means, there are ways of doing it and ways of not doing it. What is pretty cowardly is to do it badly, and then pin the blame for any fallout on the EU.
 
James O'Brien is the problem.

I don't like the bloke but it is true that the ones who voted and still want to leave when you ask them are you willing to leave despite things getting worse and they say yes.

They haven't got a counter argument where there is something tangible to gain from it all, even on immigration it will be pretty similar or even worse if India gets its way on a trade deal.
 
James O'Brien is the problem.

How so?

A total bigot sacked by the BBC.........

He has a certain way about him, but every clip I've seen from his show it's largely been a case of some poor soul phoning in saying "xyz", and O'Brien asking him to prove it, at which point the caller gets flustered and O'Brien mocks them. That seems to be the general format of these things. You'd think someone of a leave persuasion would get it by now and phone in with the mountains of evidence they have tucked down the back of their sofa.
 
How so?



He has a certain way about him, but every clip I've seen from his show it's largely been a case of some poor soul phoning in saying "xyz", and O'Brien asking him to prove it, at which point the caller gets flustered and O'Brien mocks them. That seems to be the general format of these things. You'd think someone of a leave persuasion would get it by now and phone in with the mountains of evidence they have tucked down the back of their sofa.
James O'Brien does not give any caller disagreeing with him the time to argue their point - so much so if he is losing his argument he cuts them off - he like the sound of his own voice on the airways - the BBC imo correctly give him the boot - he reckons he will be back on newsnight after Brexit is decided - If i was him he will be waiting a long time for that telephone call.......
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/jame...rather-than-wind-neck-in-on-brexit-and-trump/
He is outliving LBC too - his listening figures are high as he is so offensive -
https://www.change.org/p/global-remove-james-o-brien-from-lbc
 
James O'Brien does not give any caller disagreeing with him the time to argue their point - so much so if he is losing his argument he cuts them off - he like the sound of his own voice on the airways - the BBC imo correctly give him the boot - he reckons he will be back on newsnight after Brexit is decided - If i was him he will be waiting a long time for that telephone call.......
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/jame...rather-than-wind-neck-in-on-brexit-and-trump/
He is outliving LBC too - his listening figures are high as he is so offensive -
https://www.change.org/p/global-remove-james-o-brien-from-lbc

You should go on Joe. Dazzle him with all of the facts and evidence you've dazzled us with down the years.
 
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