dholliday
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true cant have it both ways, I think they will choose to leave at some point., or be thrown out.
dholliday
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EU wouldn't dare to throw them out, what with Brexit looming...they will just squeeze and hope Orban blinks first.
I don't know if it's fear of Roma per se, but there is a really strong antipathy towards them for sure. I don't know of many Czechs (if any) that have a good word to say about Roma folk, and even the wife guiltily admits to having negative stereotypes of them. Off to Budapest tomorrow, but that will be very much with studenty liberal types so I suspect it won't be an accurate reflection of the wider country in any shape or form.
For Orban though, having the EU (or Soros, if they can be distinguished) as the bogeyman is convenient. Czech officials will happily complain about the EU, but they know full well they'd be in the crapper without membership so it's all puff for a domestic audience.
Cant see going to happening anytime soon,
dholliday
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Yeah, it's a strange thing with the Roma...I never got to the bottom of what it is, just maybe that the Roma tend to keep to their own and that kinda automatically breeds a little distrust in the main folk. Not just in Czech, the Roma are vilified in most places. We liberals don't talk about them much when we discuss maligned minorities. I also wonder why that is, considering how common they are in most European countries.
When you're in Budapest and you're in central bars branch off from your group and speak to the local drinkers. Most can surprisingly speak a workable basic english...get a feel for what they're thinking. It's interesting, politically it's pretty much pro-Orban and anti-Merkel, but still good to hear from the horses mouth as it were, my experiences aren't as distasteful as you might fear...they're just opinions. But best not to have those discussions with your liberal mates around you...one-on-one is best.
dholliday
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Why do you think Hungary would be in the crapper? It's arguably in the crapper now, so with or without EU the folk and the country feel a little in the doldrums. They're losing their best people, so maybe leaving the EU would make that more difficult and long-term that might even be good for the country. Who knows for sure...just that I'd disagree that Hungary leaving EU would automatically be a bad thing for Hungary.
I think most/all Visegrad nations are comfortable net recipients of EU funds, so that's an obvious one. You also have to factor in that whilst many citizens emigrate elsewhere in the EU, they also send back large sums of money. Remittances represent 3.3% of Hungarian GDP, so it's not to be sniffed at.
peteblue
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No one said they did. Anyone going from the south to the north coming from the EU via ROI has been counted in by the ROI. Anyone going from the ROI to the EU is counted out, therefore anyone from the EU arriving from NI to the U.K. who is not registered in the ROI as having left the ROI will have done so illegally and will therefore be returned. This isn’t hard and I think you wilfully try not to understand...
just said they will not accept EU citizens being treated differently on there skills, goodbye May
I assume you're talking about after Brexit.
"Passports
Most people need a valid passport to enter the Republic or Northern Ireland but there are some exceptions:
• If you're a UK citizen, you can also use official photo identification.
• If you're an EU citizen, you can also use a national identity card.
If you’re a citizen of a European Economic Area (EEA) member state (27 countries of the European Union, together with Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein) and many other countries including USA, Australia, Canada and New Zealand, you don’t need a visa to visit the Republic or Northern Ireland. South African visitors can visit the Republic of Ireland without a visa, but need a UK visa in order to enter Northern Ireland"
Where and at what point do they count/register in EU citizens? Does that include citizens living in the north with Irish passports who are classed as EU citizens? Who is controlling the border between the UK and the RoI? What will border checks look like?
After Brexit. A person from Germany arrives at Dublin airport and gets on a train to Belfast. Where and at what point do they get checked? They then want to travel to England and go to Belfast airport? Are they allowed on the plane?
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Carl O'Ancelotti
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This counting in/counting out process and registering of people leaving which you refer to is news to me and to everyone else I suspect. Never heard of it before. Are you sure you didn't dream this up ?
And the bolded bit can only be accomplished by having checks at ports and airports for people crossing the Irish Sea. Which of course won't happen as they will be travelling within the same country, so that's more pie in the sky nonsense. It seems it is you who is willfully trying not to understand.
See above poster mate , nobody in reply to you is being deliberately obtuse but what your saying simply isn’t the case . It’s exactly because of the special nature of this specific border that we’re in such a difficult situation over it . It just isn’t as easy as you suggest , if it were everyone would have just moved passed it .
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