Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Old Blue 2]

With respect, you dont debate. As that ^^^^ shows. When any potential negative impact is raised, it is dismissed as scare stories by the Remain press/establishment.

When any challenge is made to your view, the same applies. As you say, the UK voted to Leave. Bit too early to say who actually won yet though.

And as you know, roydo, from time to time I choose an excellent song to cheer us all up. So here's a little chanson (oops!), which is how I feel about our being in the EU.


Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Q.E.D.......

Sorry to be the one to break this to you, but you’ve used that incorrectly again Pete.

 

[Anders_Limpar]

It has been a recurring and increasing theme for remoaners lately to attack the man and not the ball, I think you are better than that, maybe you are not, but perhaps it’s time to prove it.......

I’d love to know how pointing out that someone is either peddling falsehoods or just wrong is playing the man not the ball?

It’s that the definition of playing the ball?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I’d love to know how pointing out that someone is either peddling falsehoods or just wrong is playing the man not the ball?

It’s that the definition of playing the ball?

Seemingly it is.

Justify what you’re saying preferably with the aid of some actual facts........errrrmmmm .

Deflection, whataboutery, soundbites, waffle, get your CV out!, 17.4m, you lost get over it, where’s your backbone.

Can you answer now?

You remoaners can’t debate,

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Some proper remoaners on here tonight. Lads get over it. We are leaving, the only debate is how we leave.

It’s easy to see the panic in the remoaners camp by the amount of insults aimed at the Leave voters. You know you are beaten when you have to resort to childish insults.

You don’t need to do it lads, some of you, obviously not all, are quite capable of putting an argument together without personal offence or insults.

It has been a recurring and increasing theme for remoaners lately to attack the man and not the ball, I think you are better than that, maybe you are not, but perhaps it’s time to prove it.......

I honestly don't think we will leave Pete.

There's not a majority in parliament for a hard Brexit let alone a No Deal Brexit. And given how May's Chequers proposal has been trashed that's already dead.

So it'll be a general election and or a second referendum and I honestly think common sense will prevail.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

You mean like Varadkar suggesting that the U.K. will not be allowed to use Irish airspace.

Obviously the ROI population love him for baiting the U.K. but we’ll see how much he is loved if this helps to lead to a no deal position. A position I might add that the U.K. is actually warming up to.....

Last sentence is the one Pete. Sorry for being pedantic but I'm getting increasingly grumpy in my early middle age about people peddling false truths.

So what you meant to say is me, Old Blue and Joey are actually getting our heads around the No Deal scenario and whilst it doesn't affect us, what with our pensions and limited horizons, we'll welcome it all the same because those good lads Farage, Boris and Rees Mogg are saying it's the way out of this mess.

I swear you couldn't make this stuff up.

The country is risking going to the dogs.

 

[Joey66]

Last sentence is the one Pete. Sorry for being pedantic but I'm getting increasingly grumpy in my early middle age about people peddling false truths.

So what you meant to say is me, Old Blue and Joey are actually getting our heads around the No Deal scenario and whilst it doesn't affect us, what with our pensions and limited horizons, we'll welcome it all the same because those good lads Farage, Boris and Rees Mogg are saying it's the way out of this mess.

I swear you couldn't make this stuff up.

The country is risking going to the dogs.

Don't post behind my back - the Remoaners on this site not you in particular as you sometimes have common sense post - @peteblue is correct the way it is going we will leave if you put the @ in front of my user name that alerts me that goes for Bruce too mentioning the leave supporters without notification even accused me of a suicide attempt.....
Put your revolver away @Bruce Wayne it's only politics........
The attack on outer voters is fine if you alert them......
Gosh even at half time last night I got a quote on Brexit .....
We are all blues on here this thread is for debate .......

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Don't post behind my back - the Remoaners on this site not you in particular as you sometimes have common sense post - @peteblue is correct the way it is going we will leave if you put the @ in front of my user name that alerts me that goes for Bruce too mentioning the leave supporters without notification even accused me of a suicide attempt.....
Put your revolver away @Bruce Wayne it's only politics........
The attack on outer voters is fine if you alert them......
Gosh even at half time last night I got a quote on Brexit .....
We are all blues on here this thread is for debate .......

Apologies Joey. I meant you other Brexiters as a generic reference not something specific. It could have been Pete's mates down the pub.

Pete said " [a No Deal scenario...is..] a position the UK is actually warming up to".

Now all I was asking was what was the basis to such a comment as everything I've seen, and everyone I've spoken to, considers this crash exit to be an absolute car crash.

I agree we're all Blues here Joey and should be able to have a reasoned debate. Hence all I'm asking is some evidence to back up such a statement.

 

[Joey66]

Apologies Joey. I meant you other Brexiters as a generic reference not something specific. It could have been Pete's mates down the pub.

Pete said " [a No Deal scenario...is..] a position the UK is actually warming up to".

Now all I was asking was what was the basis to such a comment as everything I've seen, and everyone I've spoken to, considers this crash exit to be an absolute car crash.

I agree we're all Blues here Joey and should be able to have a reasoned debate. Hence all I'm asking is some evidence to back up such a statement.

That's fine the debate has been kicking on now for 1924 pages , and some are still debating the pre referendum result yes Brexit side of it told whoppers, as did the Remain camp,
I have stated on here all I would be happy with is a good trade deal outside the EU and a compromise of the break away from such a polictical union as the EU - we offered them a divorce settlement genourous imo
They still remain belligerent on putting us down - we should move on to get a deal with Europe on trade but if WTO is our only option it's down to the EU!
I voted twice to join the common market not a polictical union!

 

[peteblue]

I honestly don't think we will leave Pete.

There's not a majority in parliament for a hard Brexit let alone a No Deal Brexit. And given how May's Chequers proposal has been trashed that's already dead.

So it'll be a general election and or a second referendum and I honestly think common sense will prevail.

I’ll grant you that the establishment appear to be doing everything they can to balls it up, but there will be 17.4million very unhappy people if we don’t leave. I reckon a second vote would produce the same result, but if we ever have a second vote because the losers engineered it then we really are finished as a democratic nation, we might just as well stop all elections and let the elite get on with it, a la EU......

 

[peteblue]

I’d love to know how pointing out that someone is either peddling falsehoods or just wrong is playing the man not the ball?

It’s that the definition of playing the ball?

I’ve no problem with pointing out errors or being wrong, just as you did. It makes a refreshing change tbh.......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I’ll grant you that the establishment appear to be doing everything they can to balls it up, but there will be 17.4million very unhappy people if we don’t leave. I reckon a second vote would produce the same result, but if we ever have a second vote because the losers engineered it then we really are finished as a democratic nation, we might just as well stop all elections and let the elite get on with it, a la EU......

If there was a second vote once the full reality of what Leave looks like is there for all to see, and there’s actually some detail for people to assess, as opposed to soundbites and populism. If that vote then had a different outcome to the first one, then that would merely show that the ‘will of the people’ had changed. To suggest that would somehow show democracy had been abandoned is a position that lacks any substance imo.

 

[TraffordBlue]

I actually said the U.K., not the people of the U.K. as you state. Leave voters don’t appear to give a damn about no deal, as always it’s only the Remain side and it’s EU loving media that get in a fit about it. The way the EU have been conducting themselves in these negotiations and their recent comments about trying to extend the exit date merely hardens the views of Leavers to just get out......if you would like a detailed report including a poll I’m afraid I can’t provide one, but I’m sure if you ask the other Leave voters on here their opinion they might say something similar.....

What support do you have for this claim then other than suggesting that a few other posters on here may hold that view? How do the opinions of a few posters on here (or even every leave voter on this forum) represent the UK warming to the idea of a Hard Brexit?

A Hard Brexit would quite clearly have significantly negative consequences for both the UK and the EU. It's staggering that some leave voters actually try and claim otherwise.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Note to: Pete Blue, Joey66, Old Blue 2, apologies to any I've forgotten. (Orchard keep posting, great posts).

Why are we bothering trying to justify Brexit to this lot? They are clones of RS supporters who lose and come up with convoluted arguments as to why they won.
Leave won, Remain LOST end of. As far as I am concerned and as they say in Dragons Den, 'I'm out'. Absolutely no point in trying to debate. Byeeeee!

Saying end of when having a debate with other people suggests you have run out of valid points to make.

The decision regarding how we leave the EU has a significant impact on our current economy and future generations. We're currently worse off and the evidence points to us continuing to be worse off even in the short term and bizarrely, some in the leave camp don't seem to see any issue with that. Which is why those who want to remain are contesting that opinion.

 

[Old Blue 2]

The decision regarding how we leave the EU has a significant impact on our current economy and future generations. We're currently worse off and the evidence points to us continuing to be worse off even in the short term and bizarrely, some in the leave camp don't seem to see any issue with that. Which is why those who want to remain are contesting that opinion.

To quote from your previous post: What support do you have for this claim...?